SRL Archive - Banned from RS

Q: Anyone else been banned today?


msemtex

2015-04-01 07:52:05

Hi guys,

I had been running a private script for OSRS on one account for the past three weeks with no issues. Within 4 days of using the script on a second account at the same time, they were both banned.

My main, which used the script a while ago, still remains unbanned and that one has membership.

Has anyone else been banned today? Also, would getting members be a form of antiban? I have heard that bots which are members only get 14 day bans.

Msemtex

falloutboy12

2015-04-01 08:20:23

Sorry for your loss - There is no doubt in my mind based on my experience and reviewing the experiences of other folks on here that having members puts you under less scrutiny from a botting perspective. I thought for sure that I was getting banned based on a pretty public incident that got my acct reported by several people - my mems expires soon so I'll be curious to see if they drop the ban hammer once they see they're not getting any more money out of this account.

Jake

2015-04-01 08:36:08

Not true. I was permed without any previous bans or infractions for the past 8 years, and I was a member.

From: msemtex
would getting members be a form of antiban? I have heard that bots which are members only get 14 day bans.

msemtex

2015-04-01 08:48:59

From: falloutboy12
Sorry for your loss - There is no doubt in my mind based on my experience and reviewing the experiences of other folks on here that having members puts you under less scrutiny from a botting perspective. I thought for sure that I was getting banned based on a pretty public incident that got my acct reported by several people - my mems expires soon so I'll be curious to see if they drop the ban hammer once they see they're not getting any more money out of this account.


That's what I was thinking. I guess if two accounts are performing similar actions, the flag is raised. Probably best to cycle between accounts instead of running both at the same time. As I said, strange how one account runs for 3 weeks, no issues, as soon as another account uses the script *boom*, banned.

msemtex

2015-04-01 08:51:10

From: Jake
Not true. I was permed without any previous bans or infractions for the past 8 years, and I was a member.


Damn, my account that ran for three weeks was created in 08, with no bans etc. I think it's down to if multiple accounts are using the script at the same time. When those two accounts were botting, I was baby sitting them when at my PC, no one in that area was reporting or anything. Both ran for around 3-6 hours per day.

falloutboy12

2015-04-01 08:54:50

I think that possibly another risk factor is OSRS - I have no good evidence but I'm wondering if they know RS3 economy needs bots to a certain degree so they are more lenient there?

Flight

2015-04-01 10:31:01

I have been noticing a link between bans and running multiple accounts at once, and it doesn't have to be the same script. Most of the times I've had accounts banned it was while running two of them (again, not the same script).

Polack

2015-04-01 10:59:21

From: Flight
I have been noticing a link between bans and running multiple accounts at once, and it doesn't have to be the same script. Most of the times I've had accounts banned it was while running two of them (again, not the same script).


Do you think using a VPS would increase or decrease the risk (opinion ofc)?

KeepBotting

2015-04-01 11:01:17

From: Jake
Not true. I was permed without any previous bans or infractions for the past 8 years, and I was a member.


My most recent ban was in Aug of last year, under similar circumstances. Getting members might help, but not much.

msemtex

2015-04-01 11:02:51

From: Flight
I have been noticing a link between bans and running multiple accounts at once, and it doesn't have to be the same script. Most of the times I've had accounts banned it was while running two of them (again, not the same script).


Damn, as much as some people disregard it (IP bans ineffective, as Users can change IPs). This must be IP related.

msemtex

2015-04-01 11:03:58

From: Polack
Do you think using a VPS would increase or decrease the risk (opinion ofc)?


I reckon the risk would decrease, if each account is on a different IP, performing different tasks. I was transferring wealth to my main through items too. Still no ban on the main.

Flight

2015-04-01 11:16:29

From: Polack
Do you think using a VPS would increase or decrease the risk (opinion ofc)?


I couldn't say for sure, I've never dealt with VPS's. I'm sure someone who actively uses them could give you a more accurate answer.

From: msemtex
Damn, as much as some people disregard it (IP bans ineffective, as Users can change IPs). This must be IP related.


If it were me I'd say it wouldn't have so much to do with IP but rather the time at which two or more in-game accounts, logged in from the same computer/laptop, are using either the mouse or keyboard. Just a theory however, as people can easily multi-log and do tasks at the same time, nobody can interact with the game at the exact same time on multiple accounts.

Polack

2015-04-01 11:20:38

I hope I'm not making a fool of myself (as I know very little about this stuff), but couldn't you have a lot of accounts/traffic coming from the same IP address if it's a University or even a household with multiple people who could theoretically all be playing RS.

Flight

2015-04-01 11:22:26

From: Polack
I hope I'm not making a fool of myself (as I know very little about this stuff), but couldn't you have a lot of accounts/traffic coming from the same IP address if it's a University or even a household with multiple people who could theoretically all be playing RS.


Exactly. It wouldn't be fair to ban based on IP for reasons like this, or multiple people on a network playing the game at the same time. But multiple accounts from a single machine, that's suspicious.

msemtex

2015-04-01 11:32:47

From: Flight
Exactly. It wouldn't be fair to ban based on IP for reasons like this, or multiple people on a network playing the game at the same time. But multiple accounts from a single machine, that's suspicious.


Great points. Would it not be advantageous to put a thread together to document "safe" botting guidelines? Maybe on the Junior Members section?

3Garrett3

2015-04-01 11:45:44

From: msemtex
Great points. Would it not be advantageous to put a thread together to document "safe" botting guidelines? Maybe on the Junior Members section?


Here's some guides for you:

https://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25431
https://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53807

(Older Guide, still relevant though)
https://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18527

E: The problem with having guidelines for not getting banned is that no matter who you ask, there will be differences of opinion. Only Jagex knows what they ban for, so we can only suggest methods that have personally worked.

I personally:

Train account combat to 20-30
Have non-default character look
Limit continuous session time by using multiplayer
Prefer botting in areas where no other people go (IE my evergreen script) to avoid being reported.

Polack

2015-04-01 11:53:30

From: Flight
Exactly. It wouldn't be fair to ban based on IP for reasons like this, or multiple people on a network playing the game at the same time. But multiple accounts from a single machine, that's suspicious.


So do you know of any way to mask that it's coming from one computer?


From: msemtex
Great points. Would it not be advantageous to put a thread together to document "safe" botting guidelines? Maybe on the Junior Members section?


You got something against 'Registered Users' xD?

msemtex

2015-04-01 12:33:18

From: 3Garrett3
Here's some guides for you:

https://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25431
https://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53807

(Older Guide, still relevant though)
https://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18527

E: The problem with having guidelines for not getting banned is that no matter who you ask, there will be differences of opinion. Only Jagex knows what they ban for, so we can only suggest methods that have personally worked.

I personally:

Train account combat to 20-30
Have non-default character look
Limit continuous session time by using multiplayer
Prefer botting in areas where no other people go (IE my evergreen script) to avoid being reported.


Thanks! I'll have a look through those now.

cosmasjdz

2015-04-01 12:33:59

Basicly if script is detectable no matter what you run you lose atleast whole army you runned on same computer same time the one or maybe more accounts were catched as botting. No matter if its same script or different ones i usually get whole shift banned. Recent ban was like month ago got pvm script stuck and lost other goldfarmers running other script-hunting. On other pc they running 2nd month now no single ban yet as no bans yet since last banwave. 670k or so sallys since last ban wave and counting…

Jagex doesnt look for ip, probably they look for computer and if one script is detected and account banned then they probably take extra attention on all accounts runned on that computer at the same time. Sometimes bans are delayer up to 3 weeks. But if you have constant shifts youll notice whole shifts getting banned and others untouched. Like few months ago 11out of 12 shift accounts got banned then after 2+weeks 12th finally got too.

msemtex

2015-04-01 12:35:15

From: Polack
You got something against 'Registered Users' xD?


Not necessarily, just that the areas that registered users have access to is completely public. If a member of staff at Jagex frequents this site, which I should imagine is the case. They would be able to view the "guidelines" and then counter as such.

msemtex

2015-04-01 12:37:20

From: cosmasjdz
Basicly if script is detectable no matter what you run you lose atleast whole army you runned on same computer same time the one or maybe more accounts were catched as botting. No matter if its same script or different ones i usually get whole shift banned. Recent ban was like month ago got pvm script stuck and lost other goldfarmers running other script-hunting. On other pc they running 2nd month now no single ban yet as no bans yet since last banwave. 670k or so sallys since last ban wave and counting…

Jagex doesnt look for ip, probably they look for computer and if one script is detected and account banned then they probably take extra attention on all accounts runned on that computer at the same time. Sometimes bans are delayer up to 3 weeks. But if you have constant shifts youll notice whole shifts getting banned and others untouched. Like few months ago 11out of 12 shift accounts got banned then after 2+weeks 12th finally got too.


Ah ok. I do have a second computer independent to my main one. Should I use that for my botting needs or setup a Virtual PC inside my main one?

Jake

2015-04-01 14:08:16

That video tho of the jmod banning at Castle Wars.
From: KeepBotting
My most recent ban was in Aug of last year, under similar circumstances. Getting members might help, but not much.

Tbo

2015-04-01 18:23:36

Yeah, today I was banned on my max main, I had botted it nearly everyday since January (all private scripts) and never had an issue.

I did have two scripts running, although my other account had not been banned. I presume it was the poor and possibly outdated quality of the script, and overusing it aswell. It's only fair I guess.
I was also running it in a crowded area, where I was most likely reported multiple times.
Not too sure what happened :p

It was a perm ban, lost about 50m, o well.

Im New Sry

2015-04-02 07:48:44

If I remember correctly from one RS bug abusers forum, they give out perm bans with a slightly different approach - they ban by your computer's Hardware ID and not IP, so that even if you change your IP you can't play and the only solution would be to buy another computer I think. They could use the same tactic to track down on the bots running from the same computer - by HWID. But then again I'm not entirely sure about that. 2 of my guys survived both ban waves and I've had them stuck for a really big amount of time in total now, but they're still fine. I reckon they have already detected me by now and they will hand out bans pretty soon… 1 month since last ban wave and counting.

chubeam

2015-04-02 13:22:16

From: Tbo
Yeah, today I was banned on my max main, I had botted it nearly everyday since January (all private scripts) and never had an issue.

I did have two scripts running, although my other account had not been banned. I presume it was the poor and possibly outdated quality of the script, and overusing it aswell. It's only fair I guess.
I was also running it in a crowded area, where I was most likely reported multiple times.
Not too sure what happened :p

It was a perm ban, lost about 50m, o well.


Sorry for your loss :/

KeepBotting

2015-04-02 16:35:09

From: Jake
That video tho of the jmod banning at Castle Wars.


Yeah that was me. RIP in pepperino

aliensexist

2015-04-03 02:40:05

From: 3Garrett3
Here's some guides for you:

https://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25431
https://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53807

(Older Guide, still relevant though)
https://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18527

E: The problem with having guidelines for not getting banned is that no matter who you ask, there will be differences of opinion. Only Jagex knows what they ban for, so we can only suggest methods that have personally worked.

I personally:

Train account combat to 20-30
Have non-default character look
Limit continuous session time by using multiplayer
Prefer botting in areas where no other people go (IE my evergreen script) to avoid being reported.


two of my accounts got banned today (within 60 seconds of logging in) using your evergreen script.

It's a great script, im in no way stating otherwise because it is the most flawless script ive used on villavu for rs3. None of these conditions were met except the last one. No trouble with the accounts for 2 months of hardcore botting.. anywhere from 8-18 hours a day. But it seemed to detect the client almost instantly from running from login

cosmasjdz

2015-04-03 05:40:13

From: aliensexist
two of my accounts got banned today (within 60 seconds of logging in) using your evergreen script.

It's a great script, im in no way stating otherwise because it is the most flawless script ive used on villavu for rs3. None of these conditions were met except the last one. No trouble with the accounts for 2 months of hardcore botting.. anywhere from 8-18 hours a day. But it seemed to detect the client almost instantly from running from login


Its not the client fault. Even if you log in in browser you get same results :) Jagex just delays bans so you could actually see them and tries to hit botters psychologicaly by doing this. Last time like 2 months ago i used it seemed to have few big-ish(no critics, personal opinion since few places like selection of trees were in my eyes very much bot-like and banking got issues too) flaws atleast. Sure it was cause of bot behaviour not smart. Still 2 months is very decent for any low lvl goldfarming. Personally i average around 3-4 weeks with low lvl goldfarming. But still so many random there. May have get banned within 2days or work 6 months no bans using exactly same script. Maybe manual bans/reports makes that difference, not to mention infinity loops, they are automatic ban.

aliensexist

2015-04-03 10:52:34

just logged onto my main… it's been banned as well.

chubeam

2015-04-03 16:04:24

From: aliensexist
just logged onto my main… it's been banned as well.


Did you use any bot on your main?

pwnzar

2015-04-04 14:28:55

i dont know the why or how. but ive been botting with simba for about 3 weeks now doing 20+ hr runs changing scripts. I havent had a ban yet
the account i run scripts on has been ban once for using another bot and was somehow unbanned without an appeal. so i have no clue what is going on with jagex and how they detect bots i do know that these kind of scripts are the safest by far. ive never had account be able to run for 20+ hours on a script with no problems.

grats

2015-04-05 11:00:51

From: Flight
I have been noticing a link between bans and running multiple accounts at once, and it doesn't have to be the same script. Most of the times I've had accounts banned it was while running two of them (again, not the same script).


Bot watch probably watches more "thoroughly" when it sees multiple accounts on an IP.. I mean it's only practical to assume multiple accounts on an IP are a single person / programs running the accounts. The rare occasion of a library with multiple human users or someones house with multiple users is only getting rarer as people leave their house less & less.

Flight

2015-04-05 12:08:49

From: grats
Bot watch probably watches more "thoroughly" when it sees multiple accounts on an IP.. I mean it's only practical to assume multiple accounts on an IP are a single person / programs running the accounts. The rare occasion of a library with multiple human users or someones house with multiple users is only getting rarer as people leave their house less & less.


Yeah I would assume that as well but I can see different cases in which multiple players from a single IP can be passed off as legitimate. However multiple accounts from the same machine, that would be much more suspicious IMO.

Some examples would be a school/college network with students playing, people at home on a network, maybe dorms or libraries like you mentioned. Wifi hotspots, airports and hotels.

slacky

2015-04-05 13:26:01

From: msemtex
Hi guys,

I had been running a private script for OSRS on one account for the past three weeks with no issues. Within 4 days of using the script on a second account at the same time, they were both banned.

My main, which used the script a while ago, still remains unbanned and that one has membership.

Has anyone else been banned today? Also, would getting members be a form of antiban? I have heard that bots which are members only get 14 day bans.

Running the same script on several accounts (almost simultaneously) is most likely a horrible idea. This makes detecting bots extremely simple in a number of cases.

Botwatch does multiple passes to detect bots (or so they say).
Such algorithms usually works in a way alĂ  this: For every stage a metric is computed based on some data gather from the character, if the result of this check goes over some barrier the character is flagged for the next stage, at each stage the complexity of the tests will (normally) increase.. Once the last stage is reached there will likely be some very computational expensive tests.. if this (last) test yields true you will be banned.

So for first stage even the slightest irregularity can send you to the next stage (players that doesn't talk, players behind IP where bots have recently been detected, extreme activity, sudden increase in activity, doing the same ting over and over again, etc).

At the next stage somewhat more involving tests can be done: Say they compare the basic data gathered in the first stage to other accounts that has been "noticed" and to stored bot-profiles. They can also compare some basic characteristics both to other (noted) accounts (and stored bot-profiles) to see if there is some common behavior.
All in all they will do a series of (simple) comparisons to both other flagged accounts, and bot-profiles (accounts that has prev been banned), there might also be some tests to see if the char is repeating the exact same task(s) (without ever/or very rarely deriving from the pattern), such a test can also be done in the first stage, but probably not as involved.. Once that stage is over you will pass over to a new stage that does even more, and even more involved checks etc.. Anyways I've gotten to my point now.

So the point is: Your accounts was most likely sent up a few stages.. At this point the two accounts running the same script are compared to each other (as well as some other tests) and since they are in fact running the same script the behaviour of the two accounts will be nearly identical in all tests, so botwatch will quickly take both accounts to a higher/last stage in bot-evaluation process where some bad-ass tests are executed to verify if the character(s) are if fact bots.


Keep in mind that much of this is purely speculation, the actual tests they do at each stage is unknown, the number of stages are also unknown… And this is outside my area of expertise, and I am very tired atm.

The best antiban is to write the whole script so that it actually LOOKS human and ACTS human (to a degree). Some Wait(<random number>), a few hardcoded task executed every once in a while (usually after doing some exact task, so it's predictable) simply does NOT cut it, at least not if you plan on running several accounts using the same script.

msemtex

2015-04-08 05:05:39

Two of my noob accounts have been hit with the banhammer today. No scripts were ran on the accounts. (Reasonable names, clothing etc). Both were running on independent machines at the time of the ban.

I used an AFK method (Attack a low level monster with auto retaliate off) to get through the trade limit.

I used this method at the southern house in al karid with a couple of Spiders. However, other accounts of mine used this method in different areas, so that is a potential ban hot-spot.

chubeam

2015-04-09 15:01:43

From: msemtex
Two of my noob accounts have been hit with the banhammer today. No scripts were ran on the accounts. (Reasonable names, clothing etc). Both were running on independent machines at the time of the ban.

I used an AFK method (Attack a low level monster with auto retaliate off) to get through the trade limit.

I used this method at the southern house in al karid with a couple of Spiders. However, other accounts of mine used this method in different areas, so that is a potential ban hot-spot.


How is this breaking any rules?

msemtex

2015-04-11 09:16:51

From: chubeam
How is this breaking any rules?


My thoughts exactly! This method still works at alternate places.

chubeam

2015-04-12 02:07:11

From: msemtex
My thoughts exactly! This method still works at alternate places.


Are those bans appealable though?

WYD

2015-04-12 03:00:50

I was not Ban today :-)

Kasi

2015-04-12 03:30:42

I was not Ban today either :-)

The Mayor

2015-04-12 03:31:39

I was not ban today either either :-)

Taric

2015-04-12 03:40:42

Runescape NXT 2016 ban screen.


HE'S JUST AHEAD OF HIS TIME, DON'T MAKE FUN OF THE POOR LAD.

Justin

2015-04-12 03:41:53

No bans here, haven't received a ban in several months to be honest

msemtex

2015-04-12 05:44:12

From: chubeam
Are those bans appealable though?


Not checked. I'll have a look now.
EDIT: They received Macroing Major Bans. Can't appeal.

msemtex

2015-04-12 05:52:21

From: Taric
Runescape NXT 2016 ban screen.

HE'S JUST AHEAD OF HIS TIME, DON'T MAKE FUN OF THE POOR LAD.


Hahaha!

Dragovian

2015-04-13 08:55:54

From: Taric
Runescape NXT 2016 ban screen.


HE'S JUST AHEAD OF HIS TIME, DON'T MAKE FUN OF THE POOR LAD.


beautiful

Soyouz

2015-04-13 13:52:16

I was banned today in OSRS, 2 day ban, went to watch game of thrones with my flatmate while I botted experiments.. came back after the episode - account disabled, lol.

Probably won't login/bot again until I've moved, maybe with the new IP I'll decide to bot again.

msemtex

2015-04-26 09:23:35

From: Soyouz
I was banned today in OSRS, 2 day ban, went to watch game of thrones with my flatmate while I botted experiments.. came back after the episode - account disabled, lol.

Probably won't login/bot again until I've moved, maybe with the new IP I'll decide to bot again.


Just turn off your router for 10 mins. That should change your IP. Works every time for me.

masterBB

2015-04-26 10:00:37

From: msemtex
Just turn off your router for 10 mins. That should change your IP. Works every time for me.


Depends on the ISP, some provide static IP which doesn't change your ip no matter what. Others offer dynamic IP, which is what you have.

Soyouz

2015-04-26 10:24:41

From: msemtex
Just turn off your router for 10 mins. That should change your IP. Works every time for me.


I'm in student accommodation, so this is not a possibility.

msemtex

2015-04-26 11:11:20

From: Soyouz
I'm in student accommodation, so this is not a possibility.


In that case, you could use a VPN.

msemtex

2015-04-26 11:12:20

From: masterBB
Depends on the ISP, some provide static IP which doesn't change your ip no matter what. Others offer dynamic IP, which is what you have.


Yeah, forgot to say that it depends on the ISP. Great points!

heggs

2015-04-29 08:16:27

So ive had 3 account running 24/7. 1 was running another injection bot, which was banned within 24 hours, the 2 simbas have been going 48 hours untouched

dostuhevala

2015-05-14 00:40:36

Yeah banned perm (macroing major)for botting on osrs with powerbot. Had 2400+ Total never botted on RS3
But yeah this is life gg 1,6b and almost a max main i got so mad when i tried to login but its my fault for leaving it at rock crabs overnight also using powerbot…
I made like 20 accounts afterwards and got banned on all of them (the day after) using powerbot yep… im not bashing them for their scripts though.
It was a choice i made and i don't regret it i learned something and now i just have to move on =]:spot:

tokoolman

2015-05-15 00:36:35

From: heggs
So ive had 3 account running 24/7. 1 was running another injection bot, which was banned within 24 hours, the 2 simbas have been going 48 hours untouched


im botting for 6-8 hours a day and its completely fine i been doing this for a couple of months now. anyone have a experience of getting banned for botting for a couple of hours?

AFools

2015-05-15 04:01:34

I have had a break from RS for some months now… thought the heat on my character would have disappeared.. as the billing system has screwed up and gave me a few or so months RS membership free. I may take a screenshot; so the world can see =p but then they may ban me for that.

Long story short before i went in hibernation; i was botting for 12-16 hours a day.. with breaks every so often.. and rotating scrips between privates and WC, Fish (thanks IneedBot =D) and a few privates or alter scripts… This time round only botting for 2-4hour MAX. BANNED.


Not the end of the world.. used the tutorial script and i'm away with a flash new character..

grats

2015-05-15 06:42:39

From: msemtex
In that case, you could use a VPN.


Late response to this specific post but from what I've heard jagex have most VPS flagged so wouldn't surprise me if they did that to VPN as well

yourule97

2015-05-15 08:43:37

Yeah, I was botting heavily on my VPS for a while and after like 4-5 bans (in a high risk situation; I expected it), I realized that SMART wouldn't load. Then I opened up Chrome and kept getting timed out when trying to connect to oldschool.runescape.com or the rs3 site. Anyways, I used a VPN and switch it up every 2-3 days and now I get banned a little slower.

jsand

2015-05-23 09:48:02

From: grats
Late response to this specific post but from what I've heard jagex have most VPS flagged so wouldn't surprise me if they did that to VPN as well


Yep, i actually read a mod weath reply on twitter asking a person why he's using a VPS to play RS even if he wasn't botting.

Krzysztof

2015-06-01 11:13:37

From: FullPottatoHarry
I have had a break from RS for some months now… thought the heat on my character would have disappeared.. as the billing system has screwed up and gave me a few or so months RS membership free. I may take a screenshot; so the world can see =p but then they may ban me for that.

Long story short before i went in hibernation; i was botting for 12-16 hours a day.. with breaks every so often.. and rotating scrips between privates and WC, Fish (thanks IneedBot =D) and a few privates or alter scripts… This time round only botting for 2-4hour MAX. BANNED.


Not the end of the world.. used the tutorial script and i'm away with a flash new character..


Old school or rs3? What do you think got you really banned? Main or just an alt? Goldfarming or exp?

AFools

2015-06-03 03:30:35

OSRS MAIN lvl101 combat.

Amsterdam

2015-06-03 20:29:36

OSRS pure… sucks ass