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So I finally got level 30 on league and started playing ranked games. lost 8/10 of the games, was put into bronze 3. Almost every single game I am paired with people that are gold/silver. What I don't understand is, if I am in bronze 3 and suck so bad then why am I being constantly paired with people in silver and gold?

How am I supposed to move up to at-least bronze 5 if I'm being placed against (and with) silver and golds? Almost every game I'm usually one of the worst people on the team and have to deal with people constantly raging at me.



So is this just how the ranked system works, or is it because I am using the solo queue? I also noticed people are toxic on ranked, and it's bad. For example, I was the last person in the champion select and everyone had the roles that they wanted (first 3 people had locked in, 4 wanted jungle and I was to be adc). When there were 5-10 seconds (it was 5, but the kid claims 10) left to lock in, #4 chooses caitlyn and locks in, and tells me to go jungle at which point the game autolocks the champion I had selected which was ezreal, so we had 2 adcs. I got reported by the whole team for 'trolling' (yet to get any punishment)


Tl;DR It's not fair that league pairs a bronze 3 player with golds and silvers, and expects them to play as good as them and not get reported for being a 'unskilled player'.

You have a MMR of a silver/gold player that is why.

The bracket/division you are in sometimes does not reflect a players true skill.

For example, I am Plat 4 at the moment, yet I'm being paired with diamond players. That is because the system believes my skill is at a diamond level thus placing my hidden MMR (matchmaking rating) higher.
Same for you.


It's a good thing, not bad :)

From: uhit
You have a MMR of a silver/gold player that is why.

The bracket/division you are in sometimes does not reflect a players true skill.

For example, I am Plat 4 at the moment, yet I'm being paired with diamond players. That is because the system believes my skill is at a diamond level thus placing my hidden MMR (matchmaking rating) higher.
Same for you.


It's a good thing, not bad :)

It's also partially because he's played so few games to be paired with much. Maybe the game thinks he's silver, maybe it just quite know where he fully is yet. However as for everyone being toxic every game, that sounds a little ridiculous unless you are being toxic back. Their systems tend to only put the toxic players with other toxic players - I almost never see toxic players, maybe one player of every 50.

As for going being constantly paired up with golds and silvers… I just looked at your last 10 games and the highest rank in any of them was Silver 5, with the average rank being Bronze 2-3. I'm not really sure how constant that is…

From: Kevin
It's also partially because he's played so few games to be paired with much. Maybe the game thinks he's silver, maybe it just quite know where he fully is yet. However as for everyone being toxic every game, that sounds a little ridiculous unless you are being toxic back. Their systems tend to only put the toxic players with other toxic players - I almost never see toxic players, maybe one player of every 50.

As for going being constantly paired up with golds and silvers… I just looked at your last 10 games and the highest rank in any of them was Silver 5, with the average rank being Bronze 2-3. I'm not really sure how constant that is…

They have silver outlines though

From: Robert
They have silver outlines though

Silver last season isn't the same as silver this season. A TON of people will get carried and/or boosted up to silver 5, at which point it's almost impossible to fall back to bronze due to how they have demotions setup. Having a silver border from last season in no way means they are as good as the average silver. They all appear to be right about your current ranking and you appear to be winning some of your matches. You're probably going to get demoted to Bronze 4 soon, but it should even out with rankings soon.

Another thing to worry about possibly is that the MMR reset this season was quite mean to a lot of people, so ranked is going to be a clusterduck until it gets sorted out… I'd recommend avoiding all ranked for a couple weeks.

From: Kevin
Silver last season isn't the same as silver this season. A TON of people will get carried and/or boosted up to silver 5, at which point it's almost impossible to fall back to bronze due to how they have demotions setup. Having a silver border from last season in no way means they are as good as the average silver. They all appear to be right about your current ranking and you appear to be winning some of your matches. You're probably going to get demoted to Bronze 4 soon, but it should even out with rankings soon.

Another thing to worry about possibly is that the MMR reset this season was quite mean to a lot of people, so ranked is going to be a clusterduck until it gets sorted out… I'd recommend avoiding all ranked for a couple weeks.

Oh, so once you reach the rank you get to keep the border?

And I guess bronze has no border?

From: Robert
Oh, so once you reach the rank you get to keep the border?

And I guess bronze has no border?

For the most part. Yes Bronze has no border, and it's extremely hard to lose a tier once it's been reached.

So in order to reach any division, you need to win 2 of 3 placement matches after achieving 100lp. Similarly losing a few games at 0lp can knock you down to the lower division. However, tiers are fairly different. So gaining a new tier requires being at 100lp of the highest division and then winning 3 of 5 placement matches. And even more different, losing a tier is significantly harder. To lose a tier (demotion), you need to lose so many matches, that you are going against people 2 tiers below your current ranking. So, for a Platinum 5 player, that means they need to start losing to Silver 1 players to be demoted back to gold. And for Silver 5 players, they need to be losing to people at the very bottom of Bronze 5 in order to get demoted… Which puts Silver 5 as the hardest ranking to get demoted from in League.

Grats! Unskilled player reports have absolutely no effect in ranked btw. If you truly aren't bronze though, then you'll easily get out of it (even against golds/silvers if you maintain around 50% win rate you should automatically climb). You'll probably even skip bronze 2 when you promote from bronze 3 if you're getting matched with golds (no guarantees for silvers tho as they may be legit bronze but unable to demote).

From: J_R
Grats! Unskilled player reports have absolutely no effect in ranked btw. If you truly aren't bronze though, then you'll easily get out of it (even against golds/silvers if you maintain around 50% win rate you should automatically climb). You'll probably even skip bronze 2 when you promote from bronze 3 if you're getting matched with golds (no guarantees for silvers tho as they may be legit bronze but unable to demote).

only been matched with like 2 or 3 golds ever, but I'm still getting my @$s wrecked out there

http://na.op.gg/

since it seems like you are unsure about your actual mmr, this website can really help. its not official mmr, but its a really good approximation algorithm that they use. it takes a few ranked games to get it working, but once it is, you can see if you belong in that mmr, or if you are really going against ppl of higher mmr.

edit: to check mmr - search your summoner name, then click the green box on the right saying "Check MMR"

From: x[Warrior]x3500
http://na.op.gg/

since it seems like you are unsure about your actual mmr, this website can really help. its not official mmr, but its a really good approximation algorithm that they use. it takes a few ranked games to get it working, but once it is, you can see if you belong in that mmr, or if you are really going against ppl of higher mmr.

edit: to check mmr - search your summoner name, then click the green box on the right saying "Check MMR"

This is what I usually use to scout out my ranked games. It works pretty amazingly.

If you are getting your ass wrecked out there though, there isn't much you can do about it other than take it. One thing you can count on though, is that in the long run once you play enough games (around 40 if the Central Limit Theorem is to be trusted) you will end up close to where you actually belong, when you'll actually start to enjoy your games (not being super stressed about winning/losing also helps, if you're in it to have fun, you'll have more fun). So hang in there!

From: J_R
This is what I usually use to scout out my ranked games. It works pretty amazingly.

If you are getting your ass wrecked out there though, there isn't much you can do about it other than take it. One thing you can count on though, is that in the long run once you play enough games (around 40 if the Central Limit Theorem is to be trusted) you will end up close to where you actually belong, when you'll actually start to enjoy your games (not being super stressed about winning/losing also helps, if you're in it to have fun, you'll have more fun). So hang in there!

This can be true, but some players can't "carry". They might be playing at a gold/plat level but since they can not carry they tend to get stuck in lower elo. This happened to me, got stuck in silver 1 for 6 months. The same exact week i hit gold 5 i also hit plat 2. Till reset i was top of plat.

From: Cubz
This can be true, but some players can't "carry". They might be playing at a gold/plat level but since they can not carry they tend to get stuck in lower elo. This happened to me, got stuck in silver 1 for 6 months. The same exact week i hit gold 5 i also hit plat 2. Till reset i was top of plat.

I got demoted to b4 after losing so many games. I was losing 80%-90% of games. Then I started doing better and got repromoted to bronze 3. My win rate went to be 40% win 60% loss. I eventually got demoted to b4 after a couple bad games. What sucks is the last game that demoted me had someone that was AFK most the time.

you wanna duo? I'm like low silver atm gold last season

would be fun "hah cya idiot" is my tag for whoever wants to add =p

From: Myke
you wanna duo? I'm like low silver atm gold last season

would be fun "hah cya idiot" is my tag for whoever wants to add =p

Sure, i get back in town this weekend. We should get a 5s team from the community.

From: rj
I got demoted to b4 after losing so many games. I was losing 80%-90% of games. Then I started doing better and got repromoted to bronze 3. My win rate went to be 40% win 60% loss. I eventually got demoted to b4 after a couple bad games. What sucks is the last game that demoted me had someone that was AFK most the time.

Yeah, not sure what happened to ranked but AFKs are seriously cancer, except they seem to only ever target me and never my opponents (just like the shaco and lee sin theorems). Lost 2 placements in a row due to 2 afk adcs; it did mean that I wrecked the next 5 though, don't know what's with the first pick fioras being surprised when I pick malphite into them and completely crush them.

AFK's are a problem in the lower leagues.

I made it out of bronze once. Then fell back into it due to 5 afkers. Strategically placed to completely screw up my promo to silver one. Dropped back to bronze 5 within an hour. And thats when i stopped playing lol

Depends on the time of day you play sometimes too. Also it is possible to beat silver being bronze. Just gotta counter pick and hope to god you/your team don't feed. @Sjoe; (Silver 1-3) knows quite a lot about this as he regularly gets matched up with Bronze 5s and gets shat on - constantly. I usually duo with him as i often feel sorry for him and try to carry his un-carriable ass. @Soviet Union; can vouch for me on this; everything i am saying is legit.

From: Kasi
Depends on the time of day you play sometimes too. Also it is possible to beat silver being bronze. Just gotta counter pick and hope to god you/your team don't feed. @Sjoe; (Silver 1-3) knows quite a lot about this as he regularly gets matched up with Bronze 5s and gets shat on - constantly. I usually duo with him as i often feel sorry for him and try to carry his un-carriable ass. @Soviet Union; can vouch for me on this; everything i am saying is legit.

When I wake up in the morning, I'm glad you are there to carry me on league.

From: Sjoe
When I wake up in the morning, I'm glad you are there to carry me on league.

:')

Can i hop on your back too?

Escaping bronze should be extremely extremely easy. You just need to figure out what is keeping you down there, it's usually something serious (taking clarity over flash, not cs-ing and only going for kills, diving too hard all the time, the list goes on). Sometimes it's just a very serious mental block (one of my friends has this, always believes his splitpush support or jg rammus is the way to go, and is stuck in b5, very stubborn guy). If you watch a replay of your game and you are stuck in b5, you will notice (or should notice) that every single thing going on in that game is usually a mistake. The only reason I've ever lost a game down there is because of afkers.

Once you figure out how to take advantage of those mistakes and learn how to farm well, you should easily be able to get to g5 if you can get past the massive smurfwall around high silver.

I say this having boosted many of my bronze friends to silver/gold last season

From: J_R
Escaping bronze should be extremely extremely easy. You just need to figure out what is keeping you down there, it's usually something serious (taking clarity over flash, not cs-ing and only going for kills, diving too hard all the time, the list goes on). Sometimes it's just a very serious mental block (one of my friends has this, always believes his splitpush support or jg rammus is the way to go, and is stuck in b5, very stubborn guy). If you watch a replay of your game and you are stuck in b5, you will notice (or should notice) that every single thing going on in that game is usually a mistake. The only reason I've ever lost a game down there is because of afkers.

Once you figure out how to take advantage of those mistakes and learn how to farm well, you should easily be able to get to g5 if you can get past the massive smurfwall around high silver.

I say this having boosted many of my bronze friends to silver/gold last season

lol gonna start putting everybody on mute or just quit ranked games


toxic people make me want to intentionally feed.

From: rj
lol gonna start putting everybody on mute or just quit ranked games


toxic people make me want to intentionally feed.

Can confirm that this actually works to an extent. What also helps in dealing with them is muting yourself, and just not responding to them (this is probably better than /mute all). They say that not feeding the troll is like putting a bowl over a lit candle, without its sustenance it will die out.

From: rj
lol gonna start putting everybody on mute or just quit ranked games


toxic people make me want to intentionally feed.

This. Just mute people if they start talking negatively. Works every time.

Also, you said you just got level 30? TO be honest, you should try playing draft normals for a bit. Ranked is nothing like blind normals. When I started ranked I jumped straight into ranked, got bronze 3, and lost most of my games.

Play draft normals, find a few champions who you really enjoy to play, and learn how to win with that champ. By the time you get comfortable enough, and then try ranked again, I guarantee you WILL carry the game, and win most of the subsequent games and get to silver.

Also, draft normals are much better for learning and improving because you get matched with players of all skill ranges; not 9 other bronze players. You will have silver, gold, plat, diamonds in the match sometimes. Draft norms are usually much less toxic as well :) so you actually can learn instead of being wished death or OMG REPORT NUB TEAM GG FEED.

TL,DR; norms > ranked, until you have a few champs in a few different roles that you can carry.

BTW, don't listen to anyone who says support can't carry. Trust me, they can

PM me if you ever want to play together.

From: lolskilla
This. Just mute people if they start talking negatively. Works every time.

Also, you said you just got level 30? TO be honest, you should try playing draft normals for a bit. Ranked is nothing like blind normals. When I started ranked I jumped straight into ranked, got bronze 3, and lost most of my games.

Play draft normals, find a few champions who you really enjoy to play, and learn how to win with that champ. By the time you get comfortable enough, and then try ranked again, I guarantee you WILL carry the game, and win most of the subsequent games and get to silver.

Also, draft normals are much better for learning and improving because you get matched with players of all skill ranges; not 9 other bronze players. You will have silver, gold, plat, diamonds in the match sometimes. Draft norms are usually much less toxic as well :) so you actually can learn instead of being wished death or OMG REPORT NUB TEAM GG FEED.

TL,DR; norms > ranked, until you have a few champs in a few different roles that you can carry.

BTW, don't listen to anyone who says support can't carry. Trust me, they can

PM me if you ever want to play together.

Yea im taking a break from ranked and doing ARAM

I feel like I'm decent at league again :p

From: rj
Yea im taking a break from ranked and doing ARAM

I feel like I'm decent at league again :p

Be careful, don't get too good at ARAM or you'll run into the people who 'magically' only ever get lux, nidalee, and ziggs; only getting garen when it's his free week.

From: J_R
Be careful, don't get too good at ARAM or you'll run into the people who 'magically' only ever get lux, nidalee, and ziggs; only getting garen when it's his free week.

how?

From: rj
how?

People make accounts where they literally only buy op ARAM champs, so every game the only champs they get are either their OP ARAM champs or the free week champs. When I play ARAM with one of my diamond friends, these show up pretty regularly; it's really really sad to be honest. It can sort of backfire (infrequently) though as if you have 5 super mega pokers without any frontline or adc, if you don't demolish the enemies in 15 minutes, you're gonna be ultra screwed when their tank/bruiser comes back on his 3rd or 4th death with enough tankiness to 1 on 5 you (them getting this far though, is admittedly rare).

Hey, message me! add me on skype or something and I can coach/help you out for free. I have 2 accounts that are currently platinum and 1 account that is diammond 5

From: J_R
People make accounts where they literally only buy op ARAM champs, so every game the only champs they get are either their OP ARAM champs or the free week champs. When I play ARAM with one of my diamond friends, these show up pretty regularly; it's really really sad to be honest. It can sort of backfire (infrequently) though as if you have 5 super mega pokers without any frontline or adc, if you don't demolish the enemies in 15 minutes, you're gonna be ultra screwed when their tank/bruiser comes back on his 3rd or 4th death with enough tankiness to 1 on 5 you (them getting this far though, is admittedly rare).

lol thats so lame

I made another account to play low elo but I forgot how horrid reeaallly low elo is. Like, every game there is either a afker, or a feeder. On top of that everyone just picks what they want. So usually the team will consist of like 3 adcs and 2 mages lol.

From: o0Matthius0o
And thats when i stopped playing lol

Not sure if Leauge of Legends or laugh out loud…

I played this game, got to level 30. Played a few matches. Realized how much memorization, learning the best items, click timing, internet connection, and everything else, especially the team, was important. Then I quit, joining my friend in the quit LoL crew while waiting to see what the other few did. I do like competing but the game just wasn't for me.

From: Trollcrank
Not sure if Leauge of Legends or laugh out loud…

I played this game, got to level 30. Played a few matches. Realized how much memorization, learning the best items, click timing, internet connection, and everything else, especially the team, was important. Then I quit, joining my friend in the quit LoL crew while waiting to see what the other few did. I do like competing but the game just wasn't for me.

Sometimes I like watching league more than I like playing it

When you watch it you don't have to deal with the BS

From: rj
Sometimes I like watching league more than I like playing it

When you watch it you don't have to deal with the BS

Yeah, but some times I end up feeling sorry for some of the teams, especially the last place teams in both LCS. MYM's support is legit bronze and brings back memories of when everyone was trying to hop on the leona hype train in ranked way back for me :P

After a while though, most of the games are not that interesting, something just makes it seem so boring. Especially this season with all the snowballing mechanics they added in and the nerf everything before any buffs approach. The good LCS teams, you know there is no chance that they lose when you see them getting 5 dragons in a row while their doomed opponents are farming, instead of doing anything, and hoping for yoloQ plays. That's why I generally only pay attention to games of aggressive teams like gambit and liquid.

Truth about ARAM is that it doesn't assign random champions. I have nearly all champs and there are still certain ones I've never played in over 1200 games. Either that's ridiculous RNG or ARAM is likely staged to give you the 'fun/overpowered' champions more frequently. It was never like this before the official ARAM mode was added.

League's "put in league" system is quite shit, it does not always depend on your games, sometimes its luck also. For example after the end of season 3 (I think) i played my first 10 games to have a rank, I won 7/10 and I was put to Bronze III. I have 1 explanation: Its a very start of the season so it is harder to get better rank because of that. If it is not the case I am really not sure, why this happened.

And yes, pairing with higher rank people is usual stuff. Because of that it is hard to keep up proper MMR which leads to going even deeper into bronze.

All in all, you can not do anything about this and pray god that one day you will make it out of "elo hell" :)

From: niekasnieko
League's "put in league" system is quite shit, it does not always depend on your games, sometimes its luck also. For example after the end of season 3 (I think) i played my first 10 games to have a rank, I won 7/10 and I was put to Bronze III. I have 1 explanation: Its a very start of the season so it is harder to get better rank because of that. If it is not the case I am really not sure, why this happened.

And yes, pairing with higher rank people is usual stuff. Because of that it is hard to keep up proper MMR which leads to going even deeper into bronze.

All in all, you can not do anything about this and pray god that one day you will make it out of "elo hell" :)

It's actually been proven that elo hell only happens when you reach / get very near your true elo. If you are truly deserving of gold elo, elo hell will be high silver for you; if you're meant to be silver. One of my friends who got bronze 5 (probably belongs in low silver) has recently just been tearing up the tier, he's bronze 2 now. Another thing is that if you accept responsibility for your games going badly (aside from the sion running up mid going 0-20 or afks), as well as not using chat for anything but mia, timers, and 'group xxx' you'll be much more relaxed in the long run and it will definitely show in your ranking higher.

From: J_R
It's actually been proven that elo hell only happens when you reach / get very near your true elo. If you are truly deserving of gold elo, elo hell will be high silver for you; if you're meant to be silver. One of my friends who got bronze 5 (probably belongs in low silver) has recently just been tearing up the tier, he's bronze 2 now. Another thing is that if you accept responsibility for your games going badly (aside from the sion running up mid going 0-20 or afks), as well as not using chat for anything but mia, timers, and 'group xxx' you'll be much more relaxed in the long run and it will definitely show in your ranking higher.

While I don't believe in 'elo hell' I do believe in the fact ranking up gets 10x harder the closer you get to where you belong. I spent roughly 4 months in Gold 1, then after finally reaching Plat 5 I quickly climbed up and got to Plat 4 within 2 weeks. It's insane.

From: Buxtons
While I don't believe in 'elo hell' I do believe in the fact ranking up gets 10x harder the closer you get to where you belong. I spent roughly 4 months in Gold 1, then after finally reaching Plat 5 I quickly climbed up and got to Plat 4 within 2 weeks. It's insane.

That's exactly the real 'elo hell' :p

From: J_R
That's exactly the real 'elo hell' :p

Haha! I'm just glad it's all over. That was back in season 4, luckily in season 5 I got placed in plat 5 after placements.

I hope I'm not gravedigging, but anyone who is not at least playing with mostly Challenger's doesn't really know what they've managed to avoid.
I actually quit LoL for lent, but I am pretty decent at the game (good enough to make easy money off of it).
When I first started out I was placed in high gold, and I thought it was elo hell; I thought that once I got to higher elo, all the 'trolls and afk's would disappear.' What a laugh. After a season of playing I easily rose to Diamond, and before the end of that season I was Challenger (on multiple accounts; only support/mid). What is really elo hell is when you get to the point where you're playing with all Challengers who truly, truly do not care if they lose a game because they have no way to go UP.
When I was boosting, people would threaten to RQ, but they usually didn't; they wanted and had room to climb. As a whole, low elo is much more friendly - unless you do something against the meta (AKA heimer jung), which is why I generally find myself dislikeing low-elo LCS watcher (pros).
Favorite champion: Blitzcrunk.