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Thoughts?

If they open up f2p for OSRS it will die faster than sperm.

From: Fitta


If they open up f2p for OSRS it will die faster than sperm.

How so?

From: Harrier
How so?

Here's one way (I doubt the way op's talking about):
since it's free, people can check back on rs07 without paying for p2p, since they have nothing to lose if they decide to quit right away (as opposed to having paid for a month of p2p), they'd be less likely to stick around for a while to give a real chance (kind of like how if you torrent a game, and find it boring at the beginning, you'd be more likely to just uninstall and forget about it).

so, f2p could result in less of an [initial] attention span

regarding bots (I'm guessing that's what op's talking about), I don't think it'll make a noticeable impact since you can already bot rs07 for free (2 week free trial) and the game hasn't been hurt by that too much (people throw bots at jagex suicidally in f2p and jagex keeps gathering more and more data about bots from that)

my 2 cents anyways ^_^

From: No Lifer
Here's one way (I doubt the way op's talking about):
since it's free, people can check back on rs07 without paying for p2p, since they have nothing to lose if they decide to quit right away (as opposed to having paid for a month of p2p), they'd be less likely to stick around for a while to give a real chance (kind of like how if you torrent a game, and find it boring at the beginning, you'd be more likely to just uninstall and forget about it).

so, f2p could result in less of an [initial] attention span

regarding bots (I'm guessing that's what op's talking about), I don't think it'll make a noticeable impact since you can already bot rs07 for free (2 week free trial) and the game hasn't been hurt by that too much (people throw bots at jagex suicidally in f2p and jagex keeps gathering more and more data about bots from that)

my 2 cents anyways ^_^

Tbh I doubt it will effect it much, since many of my friends want to try it out before they pay for membership but dislike the 2 week limited trial. But, even if they don't announce perm f2p I think the GE will help it out a lot. Since most of my friends kept on asking me to buy stuff for them since sellers would not come to f2p worlds for them, which really put them off :/

F2P will bring in a lot of new low level players. If it's kept P2P the playercount will just dwindle away as people quit because there's not enough new players to replace them.

From: BMWxi
F2P will bring in a lot of new low level players. If it's kept P2P the playercount will just dwindle away as people quit because there's not enough new players to replace them.

I have to assume, especially hearing people on this site talking, that once the GE is released and even with F2P that OSR will start to take over RS3.

Do you know that it's only one guy dealing with macroing in old school? I've botted several 99's and a lot of GP by now and I'm safe still.

I'm pretty sure all the botting communities will bot like nuts on f2p. They have no idea what they are getting into with the G.E and f2p at the same time.

From: Fitta
Do you know that it's only one guy dealing with macroing in old school? I've botted several 99's and a lot of GP by now and I'm safe still.

I'm pretty sure all the botting communities will bot like nuts on f2p. They have no idea what they are getting into with the G.E and f2p at the same time.

I'm sure once Jacmob finished with the re-sizeable mode, he'll work on botwatch and get the bot situation down again :)

From: Harrier
Tbh I doubt it will effect it much, since many of my friends want to try it out before they pay for membership but dislike the 2 week limited trial. But, even if they don't announce perm f2p I think the GE will help it out a lot. Since most of my friends kept on asking me to buy stuff for them since sellers would not come to f2p worlds for them, which really put them off :/

yeah the increased players trying it out definitely more than makes up for the lower attention span (imo ofc). I think they're good updates for the longterm health of the game, but only time will tell :p

I personally don't think it would make such an impact on the botting situation, surely not compared to the Grand Exchange. I'm really hoping they decide to leave F2P permanently as that's the only way I can play right now.

Permanent F2P + GE is enough to make me want to play it (well, bot mostly, but sometimes legit). I hope that they both go through regardless of the inflation that will follow.

If permanent f2p ever gets implemented, iScripts for OSRS will become a thing.

From: Flight
I personally don't think it would make such an impact on the botting situation, surely not compared to the Grand Exchange. I'm really hoping they decide to leave F2P permanently as that's the only way I can play right now.

Need members? hit me up

From: Fitta
Need members? hit me up

That's fine my friend but this gives me (forces me) a chance to work on some F2P scripts and some other necessary things with AL.

Free to play OSRS yes, but pleeaaassee no G.E.

From: Griff
Free to play OSRS yes, but pleeaaassee no G.E.

It's already passed lol

From: Harrier
It's already passed lol

Sorry I haven't been on the RS Website in a while, got all my info from this thread… Apparently not a good enough reader. That sucks, Free Trade made the game so fun.

From: Griff
Sorry I haven't been on the RS Website in a while, got all my info from this thread… Apparently not a good enough reader. That sucks, Free Trade made the game so fun.

What? Free trade is still there. But, you have the GE now to buy and sell things.

It'll be great for OSRS. This is the last straw, the last piece that Jagex needs to complete to renovate Runescape and raise the game back from the dead.


Sure it will bring in an influx of botters, but it will also bring a lot of new players.

OSRS really needs f2p, it's rough buying rs3 mems just to play osrs & you could of done things for free in osrs instead of having to pay.

From: kingarabian
It'll be great for OSRS. This is the last straw, the last piece that Jagex needs to complete to renovate Runescape and raise the game back from the dead.


Sure it will bring in an influx of botters, but it will also bring a lot of new players.

It'll definitely bring in far more botters than new players, perhaps an order of magnitude more (Like back in 08-09 when like 70%+ of people were bots unless Jagex has significantly upgraded botwatch recently). No investment in order to bot means more incentive to create many more bots without caring too much whether they get banned (just xfer the gold). Welcome back to the era of the yewbot armies.

I honestly don't think jagex would bring permanent f2p to rs, why free when you can charge money for it?

From: jam5796
I honestly don't think jagex would bring permanent f2p to rs, why free when you can charge money for it?

They will if people vote for it in the poll.

From: jam5796
I honestly don't think jagex would bring permanent f2p to rs, why free when you can charge money for it?

because people won't pay money for f2p old school nor will they play a trial

TBH I think f2p will benifit P2P in the aspect that clue scroll rewards will become valuable.

From: J_R
It'll definitely bring in far more botters than new players, perhaps an order of magnitude more (Like back in 08-09 when like 70%+ of people were bots unless Jagex has significantly upgraded botwatch recently). No investment in order to bot means more incentive to create many more bots without caring too much whether they get banned (just xfer the gold). Welcome back to the era of the yewbot armies.

Well perhaps some but I don't believe it will be much worse than it is now. Aside from the fact that F2P still doesn't allow cutting yew trees or fishing lobsters, they do plan to make these changes as well:

• On F2P restrict trading of resources off an account until a certain amount of quest points have been reached
• On F2P and after level 20 combat you do not receive combat XP for damaging an NPC if your combat level is more than twice its combat level

From: Robert
TBH I think f2p will benifit P2P in the aspect that clue scroll rewards will become valuable.

That's a good point. It also gives a higher market for P2P-ers to sell some resources that F2P-ers cannot acquire, such as lobsters.

If people haven't seen. There is a poll going on which is: If bonds are added we'll add F2P :/

From: Harrier
If people haven't seen. There is a poll going on which is: If bonds are added we'll add F2P :/

They haven't added it yet.

After thinking about it, I'll probably vote yet. I see both sides of the argument on bonds. In the end, I think the benefits of FTP just outweigh the negative of aspects of buying bonds. Sucks it came down to this.

I know when I started playing back in like 08 after a week of f2p I knew I wanted more and bought members, so having permanent f2p is not needed and I believe the 2 week free trial is sufficient enough.

From: Harrier
If people haven't seen. There is a poll going on which is: If bonds are added we'll add F2P :/

The next poll should be to add EOC and Solomon's :spot:

From: Robert
because people won't pay money for f2p old school nor will they play a trial

TBH I think f2p will benifit P2P in the aspect that clue scroll rewards will become valuable.

Yeah my wizzy robes will be sky rocketing :D -Spends 10m on clue rewards-
I Really like the idea of OSRS bonds, I'd never have to pay for membership again mwuahaha :D

From: J_R
The next poll should be to add EOC and Solomon's :spot:

Lol no.

Idk if someone here already stated this: The current poll results shows only 14% against F2P at the moment. So I we can assume f2p will be here soon.

I don't know how this will work out, but knowing that the RWT value of gold in osrs is about ten times higher than that in rs3 (I'm not a gold farmer by the way), amount of incoming bots will probably be much higher than the amount of legitimate new players. If a legit f2p player will want to play osrs, he/she will be disgusted by the amount of farmers around them.

If Jagex is to implement f2p osrs (probably will be due to votes), then I hope they have a new bot-detection technology ready, or osrs is dead on arrival (greed of powerban and epicbot users is almost unlimited).

From: elfyyy
I have to assume, especially hearing people on this site talking, that once the GE is released and even with F2P that OSR will start to take over RS3.

I agree. The main reason people steer away from OSRS is the membership and the lack of the GE. People use a third-party GE anyway, it was silly that it took so long to include.

I think it'll bring more people & people who already pay for membership will continue to.. while maybe having even more accounts now since they can have free ones

Osrs will need to increase their bot detection systems. If accounts can farm enough money and buy bonds for basically free, the amount of bots in f2p will increase tremendously. It's a gold farmers dream. I like how they added trade restrictions, but it only applies for new accounts, so it wont stop much.

Someone should keep track of prices of raw materials like lobsters/oaks/yews(if they aren't disabled)/ores to see if the bot fear is being realized.

Anyone saying way more bots is not really true, I run a gold farm and I litteraly have gone through 40 accounts wcing oaks in 2 days, and 20 farming cowhides in less then 48 hours. The accounts do not last long jagex almost rapes them, and any traded account rapes that to.

From: zpoorz
Anyone saying way more bots is not really true, I run a gold farm and I litteraly have gone through 40 accounts wcing oaks in 2 days, and 20 farming cowhides in less then 48 hours. The accounts do not last long jagex almost rapes them, and any traded account rapes that to.

Were you using SRL or some other bot such as OSBot for farming on old school?

From: zpoorz
Anyone saying way more bots is not really true, I run a gold farm and I litteraly have gone through 40 accounts wcing oaks in 2 days, and 20 farming cowhides in less then 48 hours. The accounts do not last long jagex almost rapes them, and any traded account rapes that to.

You must not be using Simba, that's all I can say

So now that F2P is coming to OSRS for certain, does anyone else think that the gap in value between EOC gold and OSRS will decrease? I feel that it might eventually be more profitable to bot on RS3

From: meep152
So now that F2P is coming to OSRS for certain, does anyone else think that the gap in value between EOC gold and OSRS will decrease? I feel that it might eventually be more profitable to bot on RS3

Depends on the amount of bots that f2p will introduce, personally I think that the gaps will close slightly but the price of OSRS gold will always be higher than RS3 gold.

RS3 has had more than a decade to stabilize its prices, but OSRS has only been out for a few (two?) years. I'm sure some are still part of the scene who remember when RS2 gold was the price OSRS gold is now…

From: KeepBotting
Depends on the amount of bots that f2p will introduce, personally I think that the gaps will close slightly but the price of OSRS gold will always be higher than RS3 gold.

RS3 has had more than a decade to stabilize its prices, but OSRS has only been out for a few (two?) years. I'm sure some are still part of the scene who remember when RS2 gold was the price OSRS gold is now…

If they release a good moneysink for OSRS the prices might stay high for awhile.

From: meep152
So now that F2P is coming to OSRS for certain, does anyone else think that the gap in value between EOC gold and OSRS will decrease? I feel that it might eventually be more profitable to bot on RS3

I could see this happening eventually, but not for a a couple years at least. Until then, I think there could be a lot of potential money to be made botting F2P OSRS.

From: Tristana
If they release a good moneysink for OSRS the prices might stay high for awhile.

I don't think that the same company who made climbing boots alchable for 45k randomly when some people had 100k+ of them, would actually care about the economy.

From: giavanni6
I don't think that the same company who made climbing boots alchable for 45k randomly when some people had 100k+ of them, would actually care about the economy.

If it negatively affects their profits they will. If it doesn't yea they won't care. I'm still hoping for a decent money sink tho.

I think f2p osrs is a good idea. it opens 07 scape for more people and makes it a bigger community.

Well this will bring so many botter in to the game, hope they fix there anti botting system to ban all those f2p mass botters.

From: elaatl
Well this will bring so many botter in to the game, hope they fix there anti botting system to ban all those f2p mass botters.

Indeed but they've already planned ahead to help cut down on the botting problem with releasing restrictions along side F2P.

From: Flight
Indeed but they've already planned ahead to help cut down on the botting problem with releasing restrictions along side F2P.

Yea, for those that haven't heard, you cannot trade on a f2p account until it has 24 hours game in time. I guess by then they assume bots would have reached the top of queue for client detection and be banned. Believe there is also some restrictions on yew/lobs but not 100% positive.

From: Flight
Indeed but they've already planned ahead to help cut down on the botting problem with releasing restrictions along side F2P.

I know that trade limit and they already have a pretty good bot detection but private made bots and botting smart can avoid 24 limits and bans, Because you dont have 2 weeks limit you can make an account and then just bot ranomdly on it ( lower banrate)

I would be completely lost without the ge, I never played before it was in the game and I buy everything from the ge. I might actually play some osrs just got fun once it's free and I'm sure lots of people will do the same thing

From: SirPrize
I would be completely lost without the ge, I never played before it was in the game and I buy everything from the ge. I might actually play some osrs just got fun once it's free and I'm sure lots of people will do the same thing

F2p is already out, GE on the 26th of this month

From: Myke
F2p is already out, GE on the 26th of this month

I guess Ill wait until then :D

I disagree, I think that F2P is an excellent decision. By incorporating F2P, they bring back the prices of clue rewards, F2P foods, and all other items that would be considered obsolete in P2P.

I agree bots may become a problem. Weath (the only guy who ban bots on osrs) is always off during the weekends, and occasionally isn't in the office to do his work. Bot farmers exploit this window and you always see a crazy player spike during the weekends. I wonder how much osrs has grown since F2P, and how many of the 'new' players are just bots… Anyway if the 07 team were to expand they should get more people to help Weath, and an additional Q&A tester.

I think that botting may become a problem, they did a good job with the 24 hour limitation on trading and the GE, but botting can get around this issue if they keep the bot up for a long time. Right now on OSRS I am seeing a lot of people trying to flip or merch the GE, and a lot of players at the skilling areas (Draynor Bank/Fishing/Woodcutting).

I really support the free-to-play idea as it will bring players daily (both old players who quit because of eoc and completely new ones). I am also considering an idea to start OSRS as I was introduced to runescape in the mid 2004 (nostalgia strikes). But at the moment im sticking to eoc for atleast couple of months or so.