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You will save the economy..

You will prevent the same mistakes from happening again..

You will be the hero of time ….

But most importantly…

You will get to see these Reddit circlejerk kids rage to the max

ge = more bots too.

From: Olly
ge = more bots too.

That for sure. It will ruin the game to be honest.

Did you vote 'no'?

Tired of selling supplies for HOURS, voted yes on multipe accounts <3

I dont play OSR so I can't vote…. nor do I see my vote making a impact even if i could.

From: hoodz
Tired of selling supplies for HOURS, voted yea on multipe accounts <3

Did you read their fallback option? It would offer instant trading through the trading post.

From: EvilCabbage
Did you read their fallback option? It would offer instant trading through the trading post.

still too slow.

I think it's better to have the Trading Posts updated as they're discussing doing should the Grand Exchange not pass. With the newer updates you can directly purchase items (in any quanities) from someone's offer on the Trading Post. Also this way item prices will not be determined as if the Grand Exchange were reintroduced.

From: Olly
I dont play OSR so I can't vote…. nor do I see my vote making a impact even if i could.

This is not the right attitude :c

If a few thousand people feel the same way (I'm sure they do) you'd all miss out!

Why do people hate the GE though? Is it just because it tells you the prices?

I prefer the trading post method! Much easier to merch in my opinion.

From: J_R
This is not the right attitude :c

If a few thousand people feel the same way (I'm sure they do) you'd all miss out!

Why do people hate the GE though? Is it just because it tells you the prices?

I loved the GE one of the best updates to RS, tho it doesn't seem very 'Old school'. The trading post option that they have (that Flight posted) seems pretty neat though.

ps: I can't even vote.. I'm like a lvl 6 :p

From: Olly
I loved the GE one of the best updates to RS, tho it doesn't seem very 'Old school'. The trading post option that they have (that Flight posted) seems pretty neat though.

ps: I can't even vote.. I'm like a lvl 6 :p

GE release date 26 November 2007, and oldschool is based on august 2007. I should say it's oldschool :p

From: Harrier
GE release date 26 November 2007, and oldschool is based on august 2007. I should say it's oldschool :p

no wai? That's crazy…

From: Olly
no wai? That's crazy…

Guessing you feel old now ;)

"Old school" Rs really shouldn't be considered "Old school" anymore tbh.. It is becoming Rs3 without the new combat stuff.

The GE didn't ruin the economy lol, it allowed players to efficiently trade items at their true value (not counting new items) without having to deal with merchers. The only issue with the GE was merching clans could buy out a item to make it rise which can be mostly stopped by having item amount limits.

I shouldn't have to spend a day selling stuff I get from slayer. Do you know how long it takes to sell items? And TBH who cares if people can't merch, merchers are annoying anyway. They are just middle man that sit somewhere for hours with a auto typer buying items way under price and then selling them obnoxiously high.

From: elfyyy
"Old school" Rs really shouldn't be considered "Old school" anymore tbh.. It is becoming Rs3 without the new combat stuff.

G.E released in 2007 elf. :|

From: Robert
The GE didn't ruin the economy lol, it allowed players to efficiently trade items at their true value (not counting new items) without having to deal with merchers. The only issue with the GE was merching clans could buy out a item to make it rise which can be mostly stopped by having item amount limits.

I shouldn't have to spend a day selling stuff I get from slayer. Do you know how long it takes to sell items? And TBH who cares if people can't merch, merchers are annoying anyway. They are just middle man that sit somewhere for hours with a auto typer buying items way under price and then selling them obnoxiously high.

It actually did ruin it. When GE came out, items were no longer rare. They were sold in such large abundances that everyone had everything.. I could put a price, and simply wait until I get it. It took no time to sell. Time is money applies here.. While waiting on your item to sell on GE, you're gaining money doing something else (maybe even getting another of the same item to flood the market with)..

However, if you take the time to sell the item, you aren't gaining money while waiting on buyers.. This means that you have an adjusted price to compensate for the selling time of said item. This is to make up for the loss or extra time that you could have used to make more money.. It's how RS works.

Without GE, a whip used to be 3.5m long ago.
GE came out, a whip became 1.5m and dropped below that.

Time is money. People taking "time" to sell things keep the cost up. GE is like the walmart of RS.

From: hoodz
G.E released in 2007 elf. :|

After the date that "Old school" Rs was set at, so it shouldn't be added ofc.

From: Brandon

Time is money. People taking "time" to sell things keep the cost up. GE is like the walmart of RS.

I'd say it's closer to the eBay of Runescape.

From: elfyyy
After the date that "Old school" Rs was set at, so it shouldn't be added ofc.

That means all the slayer updates, corp, and gwds should not of been added :P

From: Brandon
It actually did ruin it. When GE came out, items were no longer rare. They were sold in such large abundances that everyone had everything.. I could put a price, and simply wait until I get it. It took no time to sell. Time is money applies here.. While waiting on your item to sell on GE, you're gaining money doing something else (maybe even getting another of the same item to flood the market with)..

However, if you take the time to sell the item, you aren't gaining money while waiting on buyers.. This means that you have an adjusted price to compensate for the selling time of said item. This is to make up for the loss or extra time that you could have used to make more money.. It's how RS works.

Without GE, a whip used to be 3.5m long ago.
GE came out, a whip became 1.5m and dropped below that.

Time is money. People taking "time" to sell things keep the cost up. GE is like the walmart of RS.

The GE is hardly the reason whip crashed though. When the ge came out whip stayed at a constant 1.3-1.5m (also god swords came out too) for over a year until pvp stats came out inflated the price of all items. It didn't crash until pvp stats where removed and by that time dungeoneering had come out and whips became more obsolete (also slayer became so much faster with the release of the slayer helm, extremes, turmoil, and chaotics)

From: Harrier
That means all the slayer updates, corp, and gwds should not of been added :P

Yeah, hence my original comment that it is no longer "Old School."

I think people are forgetting a long with the grand exchange we get lootshare.. which is awesome

From: Robert
I think people are forgetting a long with the grand exchange we get lootshare.. which is awesome

Why? Gold being added into the game instead of value through items is terrible for the economy.

From: EvilCabbage
Why? Gold being added into the game instead of value through items is terrible for the economy.

lootshare wont destroy the economy… there is already coming 100's of millions coming in game by alching BECAUSE everybody just alch their loot since the time it cost to sell it, is simply not worth it.

How long is this poll open? Could make a script to train all your bots' skills so that it could vote in the poll.

From: Turpinator
How long is this poll open? Could make a script to train all your bots' skills so that it could vote in the poll.

You'd have to buy them membership too I think.

From: Robert
The GE is hardly the reason whip crashed though. When the ge came out whip stayed at a constant 1.3-1.5m.

Which was exactly my point.. Before GE (before godwords), it was 3.5m - 3.7m. After GE came out it dropped to 1.5. After godswords came out, it dropped to ~300k. Godswords causing it to drop was natural though. GE however, was not.. GE causes crashes as I explained earlier.

Time = Money. Everyone in RS things a single way when it comes to selling and buying items. They want to buy cheap, sell expensive. They want to compensate for lost time during selling. If that selling time is over a certain threshold, they sometimes give up and sell for a little lower. But all in all, everyone puts a price on the item that is:

a. Calculated by length of time it took to get (rarity).
b. Adding on a tax for the time it takes to sell.
c. Adding on a tax for whether or not it's useful.

With GE, there's no time for selling or rarity. The market is flooded and things sell instantly. While it sells, I can go get another, and another, and another.. in the time that my one item sells. This introduces items into the game FASTER. The problem is that this applies to everyone.

When you buy an item IRL, the cost of production + shipment + advertising + manufacturing time comes into play. You want it instantly, you pay more (you're paying for time here).

However, in RS, everyone can get the item instantly with no extra cost. GE doesn't tax you. The item isn't manufactured. It isn't shipped. It's magically dropped out of thin air and instantly goes on the market for sale. Everyone can all multi-task while waiting on it to buy/sell.. Everyone sees a market price and tries to put their's a little lower so it sells faster. This also takes into account the abundance of the item.

Essentially, GE floods the economy with the items and drives the cost down. The harder someone is to get, the more it is usually worth.

From: Brandon
*snip*

mmh? i remember buying my first whip for 4m in G.E (around pvp era)

From: hoodz
mmh? i remember buying my first whip for 4m in G.E (around pvp era)

Maybe it was the removal of free trade 1 month after the GE was released that caused it to crash.

From: Brandon
It actually did ruin it. When GE came out, items were no longer rare. They were sold in such large abundances that everyone had everything.. I could put a price, and simply wait until I get it. It took no time to sell. Time is money applies here.. While waiting on your item to sell on GE, you're gaining money doing something else (maybe even getting another of the same item to flood the market with)..

However, if you take the time to sell the item, you aren't gaining money while waiting on buyers.. This means that you have an adjusted price to compensate for the selling time of said item. This is to make up for the loss or extra time that you could have used to make more money.. It's how RS works.

Without GE, a whip used to be 3.5m long ago.
GE came out, a whip became 1.5m and dropped below that.

Time is money. People taking "time" to sell things keep the cost up. GE is like the walmart of RS.

This is the first real downside I've come across; however, I'm not so sure that the effect is that intense in practice.

A casual player like me won't mind a walmart for RS at all :P That being said, unless they offer an option to not have to start from scratch, I highly doubt having the GE or any other update other than shutting down rs3 would make me switch (especially with how much harder it is to train in osrs anyway, assuming xp rates are similar to like 09-11 era)

From: EvilCabbage
Why? Gold being added into the game instead of value through items is terrible for the economy.

what? since when does lootshare generate gold

From: Robert
what? since when does lootshare generate gold

He may be meaning coinshare which gives you the coins and puts the item on the GE.

From: J_R
He may be meaning coinshare which gives you the coins and puts the item on the GE.

Well I was talking about lootshare, which is needed IMO, but can't really be added without the GE. Unless you want

a) the loot to go to a random person in the cc. This is just ghetto and useless
b) base LSP off the high alchemy/shop value of a item. But some items have low alch values compared to their street price and other items street price. For example a zerker ring alchs for 6k and a dragon ax alchs for 33k, a zerker ring is 3.6m and a dragon hatchet is 350k. The ring alchs for 1/5 the price but is worth 10x more

Honestly couldn't care either way at this point. OSRS had passed the point of no-return long before today, and it really can't be damned more than it already is by the addition of a GE.

Trading post, NMZ, GWD, Slayer rework, Corporeal beast, innumerable pointless custom items - all should not have been added. OSRS is nothing more than a sanctioned private server. It's RS3 with older graphics & combat system.

I'd more or less welcome any update that comes to OSRS - a GE will only help botters, and the game is already ruined, why should I care?

Honestly, I don't even play OSRS, but every time I happen across a devblog or hear mention of a new update, I just shake my head in bewilderment and move on.

It's pointless to fight it. The fapping, drooling twelvies that make up the RS community will vote "Yes" on any polls they can lay their grubby hands on.




^Yeah, just forget it. The poll closes in six days, and that question has even less opposition than some of the others on the page…

From: KeepBotting
Honestly couldn't care either way at this point. OSRS had passed the point of no-return long before today, and it really can't be damned more than it already is by the addition of a GE.

Trading post, NMZ, GWD, Slayer rework, Corporeal beast, innumerable pointless custom items - all should not have been added. OSRS is nothing more than a sanctioned private server. It's RS3 with older graphics & combat system.

I'd more or less welcome any update that comes to OSRS - a GE will only help botters, and the game is already ruined, why should I care?

Honestly, I don't even play OSRS, but every time I happen across a devblog or hear mention of a new update, I just shake my head in bewilderment and move on.

It's pointless to fight it. The fapping, drooling twelvies that make up the RS community will vote "Yes" on any polls they can lay their grubby hands on.

You only have the community to blame for these updates. The most popular are polled and if the mass vote it in, it gets put in. Yeah not everyone agrees with this but the OSRS team does keep loyal to the community, so kudos to them. Regardless of what the updates are, Oldschool RS does need updates to attract new players, not just retain an existing player base. This is their goal after all and as far as I can tell this is the best way to do it: have new content suggested (to attract new players) and have existing players vote it in (keep current OSRS-players happy).

I don't agree with all of these updates either, but can you blame their logic? I'd do the same in their position…

At this rate it will just turn into RS3 but with crappy graphics :p

In all honesty, one of the reasons why I don't even want to open OSR is because it's too time consuming to gather resources. I think this may attract more players (but it will also make a bunch of people quit).

One argument I've been seeing a lot (not here, on less bot oriented sites) is that this will allow bots to be able to mass-sell supplies and that if the GE is introduced it will lead to piles of bots. The issue with this is that OSR is already overrun with bots so the trade doesn't appear to be deterring them.

From: Flight
You only have the community to blame for these updates. The most popular are polled and if the mass vote it in, it gets put in. Yeah not everyone agrees with this but the OSRS team does keep loyal to the community, so kudos to them. Regardless of what the updates are, Oldschool RS does need updates to attract new players, not just retain an existing player base. This is their goal after all and as far as I can tell this is the best way to do it: have new content suggested (to attract new players) and have existing players vote it in (keep current OSRS-players happy).

I don't agree with all of these updates either, but can you blame their logic? I'd do the same in their position…

This. Though, I really would't let kids who have no clue vote. Or worse, kids who vote because their internet hero Sparc Mac said so despite him not giving a single reason.

Old School runescape would be runescape from 2002 at least for me…

From: EvilCabbage
This. Though, I really would't let kids who have no clue vote. Or worse, kids who vote because their internet hero Sparc Mac said so despite him not giving a single reason.

OSRS should have been done in a way such as RSC was - only people who actually played in 2007 should be able to have a say on how the game is updated.

Others can play, but as you said, people who haven't got a clue shouldn't be allowed to vote.

From: jrtsoget
Old School runescape would be runescape from 2002 at least for me…

That's called Runescape Classic. There are three servers still operational - if you were really around in 2002 then you can already play it.

From: KeepBotting
OSRS should have been done in a way such as RSC was - only people who actually played in 2007 should be able to have a say on how the game is updated.

Others can play, but as you said, people who haven't got a clue shouldn't be allowed to vote.


That's called Runescape Classic. There are three servers still operational - if you were really around in 2002 then you can already play it.

Agreed.

For classic, they should really re-open it and give some oldfags the ability to ban botters. Given that it was coded with some people having only one mouse button in mind, they could really make *something* out of RSC if they made it playable on a tablet.

Looks like it just hit 75%. Gf 07. Guess I won't be renewing mems for my legit account on it, but now that gold farming will be stupid easy on there I might look into that :p

From: KeepBotting
Honestly couldn't care either way at this point. OSRS had passed the point of no-return long before today, and it really can't be damned more than it already is by the addition of a GE.

Trading post, NMZ, GWD, Slayer rework, Corporeal beast, innumerable pointless custom items - all should not have been added. OSRS is nothing more than a sanctioned private server. It's RS3 with older graphics & combat system.

I'd more or less welcome any update that comes to OSRS - a GE will only help botters, and the game is already ruined, why should I care?

Honestly, I don't even play OSRS, but every time I happen across a devblog or hear mention of a new update, I just shake my head in bewilderment and move on.

It's pointless to fight it. The fapping, drooling twelvies that make up the RS community will vote "Yes" on any polls they can lay their grubby hands on.




^Yeah, just forget it. The poll closes in six days, and that question has even less opposition than some of the others on the page…

You realize OSRS needed GWD and slayer reworks? Yea there are some pretty stupid custom items but still some of these updates are needed.

OSRS has to be updated otherwise it will die

From: KeepBotting
OSRS should have been done in a way such as RSC was - only people who actually played in 2007 should be able to have a say on how the game is updated.

Others can play, but as you said, people who haven't got a clue shouldn't be allowed to vote.


That's called Runescape Classic. There are three servers still operational - if you were really around in 2002 then you can already play it.

That is just setting up the game for failure. If only people from 2007 can play it, then the game will never reach that amount of players and inevitably most of them will end up quitting

From: Robert

That is just setting up the game for failure. If only people from 2007 can play it, then the game will never reach that amount of players and inevitably most of them will end up quitting

"Others can play, but as [EvilCabbage] said, people who haven't got a clue shouldn't be allowed to vote."

From: KeepBotting
"Others can play, but as [EvilCabbage] said, people who haven't got a clue shouldn't be allowed to vote."

Why shouldn't they be able to vote in a game that they play lol

From: Robert
Why shouldn't they be able to vote in a game that they play lol

That's like saying a 5 year-old should be able to vote in his country just because he lives there.

These kids don't know how OSRS is supposed to be, they're not experienced enough to make an informed decision on what content should be placed into an 'old-school' game.

Some of them were probably quite literally pooping in diapers when this game was in its native timeframe.

From: KeepBotting
That's like saying a 5 year-old should be able to vote in his country just because he lives there.

These kids don't know how OSRS is supposed to be, they're not experienced enough to make an informed decision on what content should be placed into an 'old-school' game.

Some of them were probably quite literally pooping in diapers when this game was in its native timeframe.

No, it's more like saying 'you weren't born in this country so you can't vote here'

5 year olds arn't engaged in issues with the country, unlike somebody that is playing a game.

From: Robert
No, it's more like saying 'you weren't born in this country so you can't vote here'

5 year olds arn't engaged in issues with the country, unlike somebody that is playing a game.

Eh, you're right. Comparing a game to a country was stupid, sorry :duh:

I just don't agree with the choices that are made :X

From: KeepBotting
Eh, you're right. Comparing a game to a country was stupid, sorry :duh:

I just don't agree with the choices that are made :X

You still have a chance that it will fail considering in needs 75%… which is BS IMO that 24.99% of the community makes the decisions

I would vote, but I don't play oldschool. How's the population there? Like if you were to head into varrock in every world is there like 2 or 3 people in the bank at all times? And is pking still kicking? I think the trading post idea seems a lot better than ge.

Voted no , spoils 07.

From: Brandon
It actually did ruin it. When GE came out, items were no longer rare. They were sold in such large abundances that everyone had everything.. I could put a price, and simply wait until I get it. It took no time to sell. Time is money applies here.. While waiting on your item to sell on GE, you're gaining money doing something else (maybe even getting another of the same item to flood the market with)..

However, if you take the time to sell the item, you aren't gaining money while waiting on buyers.. This means that you have an adjusted price to compensate for the selling time of said item. This is to make up for the loss or extra time that you could have used to make more money.. It's how RS works.

Without GE, a whip used to be 3.5m long ago.
GE came out, a whip became 1.5m and dropped below that.

Time is money. People taking "time" to sell things keep the cost up. GE is like the walmart of RS.

But posting offer to zybez exchange or trading post is almost the same…you can go and do something else while waiting for someone to pm you so your point is invalid.

From: magicalll
But posting offer to zybez exchange or trading post is almost the same…you can go and do something else while waiting for someone to pm you so your point is invalid.

Okay.. If you even bothered to read what I was saying, you'd understand that I said NOTHING about Zybez or Trading Post. You'll realise that I said "Taking no time to sell an item drops its price". And that's exactly what happens. Trading post or not. It doesn't matter which method you use. As long as there's no time in the equation, it will cause a price drop.

From: Brandon
Okay.. If you even bothered to read what I was saying, you'd understand that I said NOTHING about Zybez or Trading Post. You'll realise that I said "Taking no time to sell an item drops its price". And that's exactly what happens. Trading post or not. It doesn't matter which method you use. As long as there's no time in the equation, it will cause a price drop.

I'm truly confused as to how your point isn't being understood.. It is like that in every part of real life as well as games..

I guess it really depends on what your interest is. If your main interest is botting to gather materials and resources then the grand exchange makes that easier. However if you prefer to merch with less restrictions then I suggest voting against it.

From: Robert
You still have a chance that it will fail considering in needs 75%… which is BS IMO that 24.99% of the community makes the decisions

I'm of the opinion that the "power to the players" pitch is total BS.

If Jagex wants to add an update, they're going to. They wouldn't even push a poll question if they were against adding it.

Here's how Jagex's update cycle goes:

1. Dredge input from the players
2. Present proposed updates to investors that own 99% of the company
3. Investors decline sensible proposals and approve updates that will help with bleed the game dry and siphon as much money for them as possible
4. Jagex is forced to push the approved updates to the players in the form of a "power to the players" poll
5. Polls are done on a one-fourth majority scheme so you can bet your ass they'll pass
6. Passed updates are added to the game
7. [repeat from 1]