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well, i was watching videos and there was "popping" sounds before they collapsed.

what were these? was it the steel snapping, ha hardly.

some tramp popping popcorn? …

or was it a bomb planted there by the goverment?
maybe, watch this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx1E2B5oAEs&mode=related&search=


hmm, solid steel burning at 300 ish degrees…wait! isn't the melting point of steel 1000+ degrees? how can solid steel melt! at more then half of their melting point?



also, i don't have the video but there was actual cuts at the base of the tower which look like they were made by some sort of blade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&mode=related&search=


whats this? thermite? why would thermite be in a building?! unless it was planted there… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExrVgioIXvk&mode=related&search=


anyway discuss this subject, i hope all the bastards who were related to this subject fall out of the sky tied up in rope so i can torture them.

DISCUSS!

No shit, the government did it. I knew that the day it happened. Haha :eek:

So could the bombs have taken down the buildings WITHOUT the planes flying into them, or did the planes have to fly into the buildings for the bombs to then take them down?

Also, how did someone climb all the way to the 80th floor to plant the bombs in 1 hour while everybody was exiting the building via every available stairwell. That's where the collapse began, at the site of impact. Did they carry the bombs all the way to the top with them, and if so how did they manage such a super-human feat?

Government.. :eek:

Dude that's pretty far out there in crazy land.

well, i was watching videos and there was "popping" sounds before they collapsed.

what were these? was it the steel snapping, ha hardly.

I don't know but it could've been a variety of things more plausible than your conspiracy theories.

hmm, solid steel burning at 300 ish degrees…wait! isn't the melting point of steel 1000+ degrees? how can solid steel melt! at more then half of their melting point?

The steel doesn't need to melt in order for the building to collapse. At higher temperatures it is severely weakened and bada bam building collapses because the weakened steel can no longer support it.

whats this? thermite? why would thermite be in a building?! unless it was planted there…

You've got to keep thermite somewhere. You don't want it getting rained on or even worse stolen.

In summation the history channel at one point entirely debunked all of the nutjob conspiracy theories out there. Oh and by the way check out http://www.abovetopsecret.com/ for all your whacked out conspiracy theory needs but leave 9/11 alone man.

Honestly, what is wrong with you 9-11 conspiracy theorists?

I'm assuming you think the moon landing was a fake also? And that FDR was responsible for bombing pearl-harbor? And there are aliens living in Nevada? And that we sank the Lusitania?

yea…

moon landing ~~ could be fake.
FDR ~~ nope.
aliens ~~ that's called in-breeding.
lusitania ~~ …?

So could the bombs have taken down the buildings WITHOUT the planes flying into them, or did the planes have to fly into the buildings for the bombs to then take them down?

Also, how did someone climb all the way to the 80th floor to plant the bombs in 1 hour while everybody was exiting the building via every available stairwell. That's where the collapse began, at the site of impact. Did they carry the bombs all the way to the top with them, and if so how did they manage such a super-human feat?

this is what i think.

the goverment or whatever cut certain bits of the building.
planted bombs at all the main parts keeping it up.
got some fake planes, some people from the middle east to make it look real.
got them to "hi-jack" the planes.
told them to fly them in to the buildings with out fail(one failed(united93))
once all the planes were gone, pressed the button, bang bye 2000+ people.

oh and also, one other building that had no contact from the planes just fell down. it was part of the WTC. tad bit suspicious don't ya think?


explain this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri7rZ6Bi6C8&mode=related&search=

From: joshie

this is what i think.

Umm, no. That is what someone else thinks and you regurgitated.

From: omgh4x0rz
Umm, no. That is what someone else thinks and you regurgitated.

Lol, burned.
It happened 7 years ago people.
Shudda been discussing this when it was exciting.

It would be like if I started talking about the JFK assasination.

it was the government, my dad has been studying it since it happened and watched so many videos.http://www.loosechange911.com/ for the real info.

From: omgh4x0rz
Umm, no. That is what someone else thinks and you regurgitated.

lol? is that even a insult i thought it's what birds do to feed their children..anyway…

i think you're probably against it because you yourself are american and the goverment dosen't plan anything bad do they? BS tbh, i think they're behind ALOT of bad things…

and omgh4x0rz, if you want to post a valid comment related to this subject, please do. if not piss off.

no matter how you look at it… your going to have choose what you believe.. because no matter what if you listen to anyone anything or read watch what ever it is going to be biast to persuade you to believe that.. thats how all things are i mean honestly lol if you dont know what im talking about im sorry its been about 4 days with no sleep soz :D

From: omgh4x0rz
Honestly, what is wrong with you 9-11 conspiracy theorists?

I'm assuming you think the moon landing was a fake also? And that FDR was responsible for bombing pearl-harbor? And there are aliens living in Nevada? And that we sank the Lusitania?

yea…

I didn't think that the moon landing could be fake until I saw a video…It was someone taking a video of the American flag being put on the moon. And guess what? The flag was taking a beating from the wind. I thought that space was a vacum, with no wind?

From: joshie
lol? is that even a insult i thought it's what birds do to feed their children..anyway…

No it's not an insult. You were just acting like these were all your own magical ideas that popped into you're head. You just happened to be watching a video, and notice steel snapping… yea okay. I don't care if you believe these half-baked theories, but don't pretend that you are smart enough to come up with them yourself.

i think you're probably against it because you yourself are american and the goverment dosen't plan anything bad do they? BS tbh, i think they're behind ALOT of bad things…

Yea, damn straight I'm American. And proud of it. But that isn't why scream BS when I hear these theories. Everyone in your video talked about how there were no windows on the plane etc.

Do you have any idea how fast a plane flies? I'll tell you, 550 mph.
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/JobyJosekutty.shtml
There is no way that someone who happened to look up would be able to see in that fraction of a second before the plane slammed into the WTC whether or not there were windows. Besides, who is going to be focusing on whether there were windows or not on a plane that was about to crash into them? The correct answer is no one.


Assuming this was a military jet and not a passanger plane, then what happened to all the people who died on the plane? Did the government just make them up as well? Their families sure as hell know that there really was a passanger plane, the plane really did crash, and their sons and daughters really did die.

Now, I would like to comment on the funniest part of you're "documentary".
The movie's most compelling evidence right here… First read the transcript.

From: announcer guy

As you can see, the flash is indeed to the right of the fuselage, and in fact, as you can see a reflection of the flash in the fuselage which further supports the contention that these were two separate events.

Sounds reasonable enough, but now look at the picture they use…
remember, in this picture we are supposedly "clearly able to see the flash is to the right of the fusealge"


Personally, I can't see shit, and have no idea where the fusealge is in that grainy picture. So if that is there idea of "clear evidence" then they are obviously really groping for ideas here. It would in no way stand up in our justice system where guilt must be "proved beyond reasonable doubt"


Go find some real evidence, and then come back and maybe I won't be laughing at you.

The explosions were gaslines popping.. No bombs or something. And the buildings fall because a huge plane flew into the building.. Do you actually think it was able to resist that after that long? And all the gaslines exploding? And all the shit about the covernment. I hate bush but he didn't did this. And don't believe all those movies on youtube cuz all the poping things are something else or faked.

dude, not trying to flame but after all this time do we really want to still
be reminded about 9-11 (it was quite a while ago), i did't lose anybody, but my dad lost his job(not enough business,nobody spending money)and we almost lost our house, much better just to write it off as a lesson and
forget about "conspiricy theories" well that was my two cents
happy autoing all.

okay heres one for you.

a normal plane that carries people has a smooth base, this one has some sort of structure at the bottom.

when the tower was collapsing there was squibs(or something like that) which only happens when a bomb goes off.

as the tower was burning there was explosions heard by many people(even people that were in the building that had escaped)

oh and them squibs went off at the same time(computer set or whatever)

explain these and i might beleive you.

This is straight from Popular Science, which is a reputable source. Not from some monkey with a camera trying to be the next Michael Moore.

From: Popular Science Magazine

Where's The Pod?
CLAIM: Photographs and video footage shot just before United Airlines Flight 175 hit the South Tower of the World Trade Center (WTC) show an object underneath the fuselage at the base of the right wing. The film "911 In Plane Site" and the Web site LetsRoll911.org claim that no such object is found on a stock Boeing 767. They speculate that this "military pod" is a missile, a bomb or a piece of equipment on an air-refueling tanker. LetsRoll911.org points to this as evidence that the attacks were an "inside job" sanctioned by "President George Bush, who planned and engineered 9/11."

FACT: One of the clearest, most widely seen pictures of the doomed jet's undercarriage was taken by photographer Rob Howard and published in New York magazine and elsewhere (opening page). PM sent a digital scan of the original photo to Ronald Greeley, director of the Space Photography Laboratory at Arizona State University. Greeley is an expert at analyzing images to determine the shape and features of geological formations based on shadow and light effects. After studying the high-resolution image and comparing it to photos of a Boeing 767-200ER's undercarriage, Greeley dismissed the notion that the Howard photo reveals a "pod." In fact, the photo reveals only the Boeing's right fairing, a pronounced bulge that contains the landing gear. He concludes that sunlight glinting off the fairing gave it an exaggerated look. "Such a glint causes a blossoming (enlargement) on film," he writes in an e-mail to PM, "which tends to be amplified in digital versions of images–the pixels are saturated and tend to 'spill over' to adjacent pixels." When asked about pods attached to civilian aircraft, Fred E. Culick, professor of aeronautics at the California Institute of Technology, gave a blunter response: "That's bull. They're really stretching."

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=2

From: joshie
okay heres one for you.

a normal plane that carries people has a smooth base, this one has some sort of structure at the bottom.

What do you mean by Smooth base? and Stricture at the bottom? could you post some pictures

A plane is very heavy.. Ofcourse the WTC colapsed cuz of the huge weight that was added cuz of the plane. All the poping stuff were other things like pipes and stuff cuz of the enourmous heat. And that they started on the same time and stuff is bullshit. Just when it became very hot some things started exploding(ex. gas) And don't say "ooh bush did it" or something cuz its not funny 1000's of ppl died

From: Fearlesssss
A plane is very heavy.. Ofcourse the WTC colapsed cuz of the huge weight that was added cuz of the plane. All the poping stuff were other things like pipes and stuff cuz of the enourmous heat. And that they started on the same time and stuff is bullshit. Just when it became very hot some things started exploding(ex. gas) And don't say "ooh bush did it" or something cuz its not funny 1000's of ppl died

The plane crashed into the WTC. Because the plane has alot of fuel it exploded that why you see the big fire ball at the start.

Now something about why the WTC collapsed. This was because of the heat inside the building usually the Steel construction is painted with fireproof stuff… i don't know if i can call it paint or something but anyways. They didnt paint it right that why some parts of the steel got to hot and collapsed. Ofcouse alot of explosions will be heard when all those floors fall on eachother. Thats why the WTC collapsed… ok?

Also blowing up the WTC is/was impossible it takes way to much time to place all those explosives and if they would have done it with explosives you would have seen alot of explosions at the outside and thats not the case…

From: 1madmonkey
it was the government, my dad has been studying it since it happened and watched so many videos.http://www.loosechange911.com/ for the real info.

LooseChange is just a conspiracy dreamed up by a college kid with by far too much time, with added dramatic techno music for effect. It's sad people actually believe this garbage.

And the popping noises. lol You go blow up a building, see all the funny noises it makes as it's support cables snap and whatnot. I mean, you've heard your house make strange noises at night, right? Think about it. It could be anything.

Now, why exactly would we we even have a reason to do such a thing? The spoils of war? Listen, every time there's a war, somebody makes money off it. It's always, always been that way. By far, many more are losing money. It'd be like me shooting myself in the foot so I could go spend a month at the hospital to get "free food".

And who exactly are these people making the videos? Has anyone heard of any of these guys before hand? What's to say that maybe, they don't know what they're talking about. Well besides Rosie Odonnell who you never hear anything good about. She said:
"steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible."
No, but the temperature was well more then enough to weaken it. She, doesn't know what she's talking about…

From: Vicious

And who exactly are these people making the videos? Has anyone heard of any of these guys before hand?

Yea, exactly. They're just monkeys with a video camera who think they are the next Michael Moore.

joshie please stop….as hilarious as it is to read these conspiracy theories that are out there and watch you try to prove them, only to be shutdown by everyone else everytime is I suggest that you stop while ur…….not really far behind :D.

Also who gives a crap if there were popping noises how does that mean there were bombs…..last time I checked explosions dont go *pop*

Did you think you were going to "win" anybody over when you posted this?

^ not really, but you have to admit it does look kinda planned, the way it goes down.
but then again most of it "looks" real…=p you can lock this thread now lol.

Meh, you don't need to lock it.

You just sent me into ub3r attack mode when I read it first.

Conspiracy theories… Most of them are crap. There are only two I firmly keep believing, mostly because there's so much darned evidence. Of course, there is also the possibility that the person who thought of the theory is just an attention seeking moron. But, seeing as G. W. Bush came into office with almost no plan on what he was going to do, and because he wanted to accomplish something "great", his ego might have juuuust been big enough to do this sort of plan. :p
But then again, why blame Bush? Maybe it WAS the terrorists, except that they hired a demolition company to do this. After all, bin Laden has the money - bin Laden is the son of a rich construction company family in Saudi Arabia and has a hugeass inheritance, even though he got disowned and deprived his nationality. I mean, with bin Laden being an expert on construction businesses, he would've surely known how to bribe construction guys.

But then again, questioning the motives for such an attack becomes impossible. Why would bush do such a thing? Maybe to put him as a "hero", the guy who saved us from the imaginary threat of "terrorism" (in my oppinion as fake as the mirrages in the middle east).

I believe the evidence speaks for itself. Sure enough, not all sources of information are 100% accurate; as a matter of fact, most of them are probably politically biased (as are all statistics).

No, in all seriousness, I can very well imagine that the american people are actually very easy to manipulate and to brainwash, and not only them - the entire world population with media access. I'm saying this, because it is common knowledge that as a group gains in size, the collective IQ drops rapidly.

So, to make a long story short: I believe SOME of the claims of the conspiracy are valid and have substantial evidence to be real. This is not to say I believe every word they say. I'm not gonna go into details, because of fear of prosecution/torture as victim of a corrupt and power hungry citizen.

Bush has all the more reason to do this to gain power. Why did the patriot act pass? Because of a "terrorist" incident in the US!

I furthermore believe that the UK subway bombings and the Madrid attacks were faked in the same way. Why did the Brits say that they were doing an "exercise" when, in reality, something far more serious was going on? Or, if that doesn't convince you, according to forensic analysis of the Madrid train bombings, the terrorist was UNDER the train when the bomb blew. Now, how does a terrorist fit under the wheels of a train without being squashed flat???

Lots of questions, no answers… But I think that since the US government hasn't seriously investigated the 9/11 attacks, you people as US citizens are ENTITLED to an answer - even if that answer comes from the citizens itself.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=stVmEmJ666M
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1d0XEHahJ2Q&mode=related&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=T_Fm3Zc7D8I&mode=related&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lpckijMVe3I&mode=related&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fEg6XEP-Cig&mode=related&search=

Watch all of those if you truly believe that the government planned 9/11.

These college kids get pretty much raped, and the kid with the gap in his teeth needs to learn some manners.

EDIT: And yes, I realize that you didn't post loose change, these videos just make good points you should hear. :D

From: WinterDream
The plane crashed into the WTC. Because the plane has alot of fuel it exploded that why you see the big fire ball at the start.

Now something about why the WTC collapsed. This was because of the heat inside the building usually the Steel construction is painted with fireproof stuff… i don't know if i can call it paint or something but anyways. They didnt paint it right that why some parts of the steel got to hot and collapsed. Ofcouse alot of explosions will be heard when all those floors fall on eachother. Thats why the WTC collapsed… ok?

Also blowing up the WTC is/was impossible it takes way to much time to place all those explosives and if they would have done it with explosives you would have seen alot of explosions at the outside and thats not the case…

We are both right :p soo ppl who think that the government did it or something: Try to beat this:D

The Matrix is real…now it's up to us uber Scar scripters to battle the machines while marketing some movies in the process. I took the purple pill. Spoon bends. Deja vu is really "Them" making a change in the code. I can't say anymore, they'll find me. Go on, it's up to you to~

:p
Nah, I think an open mind is alright. One of things I hated about the videos is there were no second opinions, or anything to state otherwise. There was too much:
"This IS FACT! And if you think otherwise, we gonna prove you wrong. Also, it means the government's media has brainwashed you (part of the conspiracy/COVER UP!)…so you should watch Loose Change, OUR MEDIA, to help set ya straight! We are so right."

And that's also how conspiracies build themselves. Disproving it becomes part of the conspiracy.

From: botmaster
Conspiracy theories… Most of them are crap.

Yes, including this one.

Of course, there is also the possibility that the person who thought of the theory is just an attention seeking moron. But, seeing as G. W. Bush came into office with almost no plan on what he was going to do, and because he wanted to accomplish something "great", his ego might have juuuust been big enough to do this sort of plan. :p

Maybe your imagination is juuuust big enough to think this was a government plan?

But then again, why blame Bush? Maybe it WAS the terrorists, except that they hired a demolition company to do this.

…..oh my god…. wtf are you talking about?
It was a friggin plane!!!!!

I believe the evidence speaks for itself.

They have no evidence that stands up to scrutiny.
Their sources are:
-hippie tourists
-their own imaginations
-a madrid university

Their first piece of evidence came from someone on the street saying that the plane didn't look like a passenger plane. Take a look at this guy.

Airline regulations require their pilots to be clean-shaven and have 20/20 vision. Certainly this guy is not a current pilot, and I doubt he was a pilot previously also. So what basis does he have to judge plane models? Secondly, how is it possible he saw clearly enough whether the were windows on the plane when it was flying at 500mph into a building.

Their only credible evidence comes from a study by madrid university which was debunked by professional scientists, whose article was published in Popular Science.

I'm not gonna go into details, because of fear of prosecution/torture as victim of a corrupt and power hungry citizen.

How old are you? Haven't you learned about freedom of speech yet?

Bush has all the more reason to do this to gain power. Why did the patriot act pass? Because of a "terrorist" incident in the US!

Does he now?
What more power does he want than being the president of the most powerful country in the world? He is already at the height of his career, so the only place he can go is down by fucking up dealing with a national tragedy. Whether or not you think Bush is an idiot, Rove and Cheney aren't.

I furthermore believe that the UK subway bombings and the Madrid attacks were faked in the same way. Why did the Brits say that they were doing an "exercise" when, in reality, something far more serious was going on? Or, if that doesn't convince you, according to forensic analysis of the Madrid train bombings, the terrorist was UNDER the train when the bomb blew. Now, how does a terrorist fit under the wheels of a train without being squashed flat???

So basically what I see is that you live in your own little world. Something happens that you don't like, and you pretend it never happened.

You learned that not everyone lives peacefully together and there are terrorists. You don't want to believe that, you don't want to think people will kill you for no reason, you don't want to live in fear, so instead you choose to live in ignorance.
I choose to live in freedom.

"But then again, questioning the motives for such an attack becomes impossible. Why would bush do such a thing? Maybe to put him as a "hero", the guy who saved us from the imaginary threat of "terrorism" (in my oppinion as fake as the mirrages in the middle east)."

Yeah, the threat of terrorism is fake… until it isn't.

9/11 cost the US something like 1 trillion dollars in damage to the economy. A trillion. On 9/10 terrorism wasn't a substantial threat. On 9/11 it had done a trillion in damage to the country. You seem to think that on 9/12 that threat is again non-existent. It's easy to minimize the threat, until something catastrophic happens again.

We were presented with a few clear choices. We can assume that posture and stick our heads in the sand and ignore terrorism, hoping for the best. Or we can become completely isolationist and hunker down to try to secure our own country, while allowing terrorists free reign to mobilize around the world. Or we can go on the offensive and go out around the world to try to disrupt, arrest, or kill terrorists to try to prevent a future attack. Bush obviously chose the last option.

Personally, I think he made the right decision, though he's bungled the implementation of it in several ways. The first strategy is just idiotic. We were attacked, and those that attacked us are repeatedly vowing to strike again in even worse ways. The second strategy is doomed to failure. You can't be 100% secure. And all that someone has to do is find ONE chink in the armor to do something catastrophic. The third strategy is really the only one that has a chance of working.

It's unfortunate that another option where the entire world cooperates to quash this terrorism isn't realistic. The UN is completely impotent, and relying on them to protect the US is essentially choosing option 1.

Dude that is pretty darn crazy.

In this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx1E2B5oAEs&mode=related&search=

At first it talks about popping sounds having to be explosions as the building collapses. My assumption would be that those noises are the sounds of each floor collapsing. Note how the noises become more rapid as gravity speeds up the fall of the building.

From: omgh4x0rz

Maybe your imagination is juuuust big enough to think this was a government plan?

Oh, he was serious? lol

Hmmm

Open notepad type bush hid the facts save it then reopen and check what happens.

Looks like Microsoft and Bush are involved in something big!!…

I dont think the gov't can have anything to do with that…

However, who know i can be wrong.

its planned.
one of the planes landed outside of pennsylavania and no one knew why

The bush hid the facts thing is gay, you can do that with any 4-3-3-4 combination in word. And logical guy wtf do you mean one of the planes landed outside of Pennsylvania?

From: logical guy711
its planned.
one of the planes landed outside of pennsylavania and no one knew why

In my experience with flying, we don't usually "land" with everyone dead and the plane in thousands of pieces of flaming scrap metal.


And I know why it ended up in Pennsylvania…. Because it was freakin HIJACKED!!!

From: logical guy711
its planned.
one of the planes landed outside of pennsylavania and no one knew why

Dude don't post if you don't know shit about the situation… people like you believe everything they say… because they are to fucking lazy to do some research them self.

United Airlines Flight 93, a Boeing 757-200,[10] crashed in a field in southwest Pennsylvania just outside of Shanksville, about 150 miles (240 km) northwest of Washington, D.C., at 10:03:11 a.m. local time (14:03:11 UTC). The crash in Pennsylvania resulted from the passengers of the airliner attempting to regain control from the hijackers. (40 people died)

Well there seems to be more evidence agaisnt the government. Arrrr Fuck America!!

From: grindisbest
Well there seems to be more evidence agaisnt the government. Arrrr Fuck America!!

Have you actually read any of the thread? Because we pretty much refuted all of their "evidence".


Read before you post.

From: grindisbest
Well there seems to be more evidence agaisnt the government. Arrrr Fuck America!!

evidence? What evidence?

From: grindisbest
No shit, the government did it. I knew that the day it happened. Haha :eek:

the government would have to reason to blow up their own buildings and kill their own people.

the war is fought because of religion, which is stupid.

What evidence do you have, other than your magical book of fairytales, that suggests our most distant anscestor was made from dirt… 6000 years ago?

Dead topic is dead.

Dude theres multiple videos of planes smashing into a building. Both full of jet fuel and impacting so hard pieces come out the other side of the building.

The main conspirator of 911 is in jail in guantanamo. Bin laden took credit. Its not a frigging conspiracy.

Do you want to know what those popping noises are? They are know as the sounds of a building falling down. See how the popping noises are made coninciding with the floors topling?. Its called steel snapping. Watch any other building falling down and you can clearly distinguish the explosives being detonated. And you know those two dots? Thats know as a glare in a window of a building that is falling down. L-M-A-O all i have to say.

The funny thing is, it could be either explanation and no one will ever know unless the government comes out and admits it. Thats why I dont stress about it, its like Kennedy conspiracy theories, theres no freaking way to know because the people are dead! So why worry about it



Also,

Honestly, what is wrong with you 9-11 conspiracy theorists?

I'm assuming you think the moon landing was a fake also? And that FDR was responsible for bombing pearl-harbor? And there are aliens living in Nevada? And that we sank the Lusitania?

yea…

I'm preeeetttty sure that the aliens in Nevada are responsible for all of those. Except the moon landing. That was totally real.