SRL Archive - OSR News and General

Hey guys,
Haven't been around for several months, you might remember me from my Pc bot that I made a while back. I was wondering, is Rs so dead that it isn't even worth scripting anymore? I'm not gonna play at all but are there even enough people who play the game? I'm considering reworking my PC bot and releasing a gold miner but i'm not sure if its worth it.
Let me know what the interest level is guys!
Thanks!

Stay here elfyyy!

To me 100% of my (online) attention goes to OSR development rather than RS3. It's not dead just many people, who actually still play/bot, are choosing to use the java bots instead. It seems very few of us are sticking with Simba when it comes to OSR. :unsure:

You should stick around, old school is where it's at :)

Am in the mood for typing, forgive me for rambling..

OSRS has been at a state of decline for a while, the game legitimately requires real F2P worlds & proper advertising, with that said - the community is still relatively active (10k+ players playing, had around 20k+ during f2p weekend, jagex aren't wise).

Now if you're interested in advancing your scripting wisdom then go ahead, script; don't expect a large user base.

Personally i haven't used Simba much since Java bots started popping up for OSRS, to me Simba/Scar have always been transition programs - things to use when there is nothing else to use at the time, but hey i don't even play RS/OSRS anymore - you shouldn't either! Jagex are a failed company and they don't deserve support for their degenerate services.

From: Flight
To me 100% of my (online) attention goes to OSR development rather than RS3. It's not dead just many people, who actually still play/bot, are choosing to use the java bots instead. It seems very few of us are sticking with Simba when it comes to OSR. :unsure:

thats probably due to the lack of scripts, and people like me dont know how to make scripts.
people who know how to make scripts use it for their own benifits and dont release it to the public

From: samerdl
Am in the mood for typing, forgive me for rambling..

OSRS has been at a state of decline for a while, the game legitimately requires real F2P worlds & proper advertising, with that said - the community is still relatively active (10k+ players playing, had around 20k+ during f2p weekend, jagex aren't wise).

Now if you're interested in advancing your scripting wisdom then go ahead, script; don't expect a large user base.

Personally i haven't used Simba much since Java bots started popping up for OSRS, to me Simba/Scar have always been transition programs - things to use when there is nothing else to use at the time, but hey i don't even play RS/OSRS anymore - you shouldn't either! Jagex are a failed company and they don't deserve support for their degenerate services.

I really agree with this.

Let's outline a few points here;

1. OSRS is nowhere near as active as RS3. That's a fact. 50k+ online on RS3, and OSRS is luck to hit 15k.
Just Google the results of the poll if you want. OSRS barely got 400k votes to come back. There's not a huge percentage of the playerbase that plays it.

2. OSRS, by nature, will decline steadily until it's as dead as RSC. Want proof? Go look at RSC's world counter. We're lucky to get 75 people online total (all 3 servers). Yes I still play RSC and it sucks that no one is ever on. RSC was presented in exactly the same way as OSRS was (albeit almost 8 years ago).

3. Reflection macroing clients for OSRS are far more efficient than color-based macros can ever be. This actually isn't the case with RS3, but two major differences somewhat alienate Simba from OSRS:

The fact that reflection is still possible to use as a cheating method, and

the fact that bans in OSRS are nowhere near where they are in RS3.

As @samerdl; said, Simba has been and always will be a fallback, the thing everyone uses when nothing else is working. Granted, Simba has a reflection library for OSRS but the very nature of Simba and the SRL community pretty much renders that point moot.

Why? Because Simba, staying true to SCAR's age-old legacy, is not a bot. I want to call it a CDE (cheat development environment) but it's not even that. It's a program that happens to be very good at playing RuneScape (with the aid of SRL/SRL-OSR). Also by definition, it's nowhere near as user-friendly as other macros. The reason Simba has always been somewhat shunted to the side is just what I outlined earlier; it's a fallback.

I'm not even trying to be rude, I myself only discovered Simba after the bot nuke two years ago. I hadn't a clue that any color-based scriptable macros beyond SCAR ever existed. Why? Because I was sucked in by the bigger names in RuneScape cheating at that time: NeXus, RSBuddy, EpicBot, powerbot.

Don't get me wrong, I think Simba is the best macro out there, but it's just plain confusing. I don't think anyone will disagree with me on that point, at least not from the average RS player/botter's point of view (and we all know how stupid they can be).

Once upon a time, every RS cheater was smart and individualized and determined and willing to learn–but that's simply not the case anymore. And that's why Simba will always remain in the backseat.

Which isn't all bad! We have a great (albeit close-knit) community here. We can accomplish the same tasks in manners that other cheating communities cannot.

From: KeepBotting
I really agree with this.

Let's outline a few points here;

1. OSRS is nowhere near as active as RS3. That's a fact. 50k+ online on RS3, and OSRS is luck to hit 15k.
Just Google the results of the poll if you want. OSRS barely got 400k votes to come back. There's not a huge percentage of the playerbase that plays it.

2. OSRS, by nature, will decline steadily until it's as dead as RSC. Want proof? Go look at RSC's world counter. We're lucky to get 75 people online total (all 3 servers). Yes I still play RSC and it sucks that no one is ever on. RSC was presented in exactly the same way as OSRS was (albeit almost 8 years ago).

3. Reflection macroing clients for OSRS are far more efficient than color-based macros can ever be. This actually isn't the case with RS3, but two major differences somewhat alienate Simba from OSRS:

The fact that reflection is still possible to use as a cheating method, and

the fact that bans in OSRS are nowhere near where they are in RS3.

As @samerdl; said, Simba has been and always will be a fallback, the thing everyone uses when nothing else is working. Granted, Simba has a reflection library for OSRS but the very nature of Simba and the SRL community pretty much renders that point moot.

Why? Because Simba, staying true to SCAR's age-old legacy, is not a bot. I want to call it a CDE (cheat development environment) but it's not even that. It's a program that happens to be very good at playing RuneScape (with the aid of SRL/SRL-OSR). Also by definition, it's nowhere near as user-friendly as other macros. The reason Simba has always been somewhat shunted to the side is just what I outlined earlier; it's a fallback.

I'm not even trying to be rude, I myself only discovered Simba after the bot nuke two years ago. I hadn't a clue that any color-based scriptable macros beyond SCAR ever existed. Why? Because I was sucked in by the bigger names in RuneScape cheating at that time: NeXus, RSBuddy, EpicBot, powerbot.

Don't get me wrong, I think Simba is the best macro out there, but it's just plain confusing. I don't think anyone will disagree with me on that point, at least not from the average RS player/botter's point of view (and we all know how stupid they can be).

Once upon a time, every RS cheater was smart and individualized and determined and willing to learn–but that's simply not the case anymore. And that's why Simba will always remain in the backseat.

Which isn't all bad! We have a great (albeit close-knit) community here. We can accomplish the same tasks in manners that other cheating communities cannot.

I think you need to check yourself sir.. There is almost a 50/50 split of players per world in rs3 and osr. What does that say about rs3 considering it's f2p and has a lot more servers?

Your 2 major points about simba being alienated from osr do not make sense. SRL has an osr-specific version, which hoodz has hooked up with reflection. Reading code from the client is a lot safer than modifying it.

You can look at it however you want, but the facts are clear. When a java bot goes down, everyone risks getting banned and nothing works until they update the bot. You will never log in with an SRL script and instantly be placed on a mass-ban list.

Rsc was doomed because they stopped updating it after rs2 came out. Osr has not been doomed, there is still quite high demand for the combat system and osr has dev's actively working on the game to keep it fresh and interesting but uses community votes to decide what features will be implemented, rather than ramming bad ideas down everyone's throat, as in rs3.

From: Krazy_Meerkat
I think you need to check yourself sir.. There is almost a 50/50 split of players per world in rs3 and osr. What does that say about rs3 considering it's f2p and has a lot more servers?

Your 2 major points about simba being alienated from osr do not make sense. SRL has an osr-specific version, which hoodz has hooked up with reflection. Reading code from the client is a lot safer than modifying it.

You can look at it however you want, but the facts are clear. When a java bot goes down, everyone risks getting banned and nothing works until they update the bot. You will never log in with an SRL script and instantly be placed on a mass-ban list.

Rsc was doomed because they stopped updating it after rs2 came out. Osr has not been doomed, there is still quite high demand for the combat system and osr has dev's actively working on the game to keep it fresh and interesting but uses community votes to decide what features will be implemented, rather than ramming bad ideas down everyone's throat, as in rs3.

50/50 in world 1 and 2 maybe.

Look at your own screenshot man, I see ~150 on every OSRS world and ~400-800 on every RS3 world.

I suppose I didn't take into account hoodz's reflection, that's a good point.

However you'll never log in with any other bot and be placed on a massban list either…

Finally, look at OSRS' devlogs and ask yourself: do you agree with these updates? I don't. Half of them have been shitty customs or bad holiday events.

The only major updates I can name off the top of my head are Dom Onion's Tower and GWD, the construction of which a RSPS is capable.

Bar all that, the point remains that in a short time, OSRS will be just as dead as RSC, or just as hated as RS3 for the same reasons.

From: KeepBotting

Finally, look at OSRS' devlogs and ask yourself: do you agree with these updates? I don't. Half of them have been shitty customs or bad holiday events.

The only major updates I can name off the top of my head are Dom Onion's Tower and GWD, the construction of which a RSPS is capable..

Rooftop agility courses were recently introduced through a single user's suggestion. While not everyone would uses these course it's still a unique addition to the game and beyond that it shows they really do listen to the players. Also recently a Slayer update was passed and that seemed to be highly requested, and that was only the first wave.

I do agree with their updates, everything that has been put into the game has been passed by player votes. Where does Jagex listen to the players and have polls on what content to release for RS3? Do they care what the player prefer? The team running OSR is much, much more in tune with the players than RS3, by a long shot. They're devoted to actual game updates, not something they can sugar-coat to make money off of, as with 80% of RS3 updates.

If you ask me the team running OSR is more like the original developers of RS, who did it for the game and the players. I've faith in these for that single reason.

+1 to Flight's comment, I was just about to mention the user-suggested agility course.
When I took the rs3 playercount screenshot, the srollbar is at the top, here's what you don't acknowledge:

As you can see, the difference is not very drastic, considering rs3 has 111 servers and osr only has 62.. If you do the math, rs3 actually does have about a 50% split of players per server with osr, not a huge amount and definitely says something about the way rs3 is managed.

From: Krazy_Meerkat
+1 to Flight's comment, I was just about to mention the user-suggested agility course.
When I took the rs3 playercount screenshot, the srollbar is at the top, here's what you don't acknowledge:

As you can see, the difference is not very drastic, considering rs3 has 111 servers and osr only has 62.. If you do the math, rs3 actually does have about a 50% split of players per server with osr, not a huge amount and definitely says something about the way rs3 is managed.

From now: 12:24 afternoon - gmt + 2 timezone.

22,959 Players Online Now (total on rs homepage).
There are currently 7272 people playing! (total on OSRS).
15687 people are playing RS3. That's 68% of the player base, but that's just taken from now.

I do agree though, RS3 is horrible. No idea how anyone can even stand playing that game. I've been thinking of joining a clan on Osrs again, going to rejoin ancient fury, if they don't accept me am going to quit again for a while :).