SRL Archive - Gaming

I KNOW we have a fair amount of league players here at villa, yet many of us have never played with/against each other.

I also know many of us are on different servers - NA/EUW/China/whatever else.

So I propose a lvl 1 tournament that occurs on whichever server has the most players. As opposed to some people getting all their runes and masteries and some people getting none, everyone is limited to the same restrictions - no runes and no masteries (possibly allowing the buying of champions; I'll let that be a public vote I guess).

We can do 5's, 3's, and anything else that comes to peoples' minds.

Who's up for this?

Edit for server locations:

XtraPSP - EUW
NKN - EUW (although he lives in NA if we set about ping speed)
Kevin - NA
Silentcore - NA
Senrath - NA
Denart5 - EUW
x[Warrior]x3500 - NA
Joseph D - NA
King - NA
Shay - NA

I'm in

as long as I'm not vladamir

From: xtrapsp
as long as i'm not vladamir

guess who won now

Possibly. I'm assuming that I could just use my level 30 account with a blank mastery and runepage, with only summoners that you could have at level 1? And possibly only using that week's free champs, unless we decide that champ purchases are okay?

This is assuming we do it on NA, of course.

Please count me in. Im in North America server.

I've included current server locations for everyone in the OP and will update as more people add themselves.

I suppose we could follow Senrath's suggestion as well to simply restrict runes/masteries/champions and not account specifically. Likewise I do actually have a secondary account NA with about lvl 16 for extra champ access if we want to try for something to improve champion access for this.

At the moment, more people currently live in NA by a long shot.

Should we allow for friends of villavu competitors as well to improve size of this as well as to allow for the possibility of everyone having their own team for bragging purposes?

I'd say we make that decision when we know about how many people we have interested. Wouldn't be much of a tournament if we only have, like, 2 teams of 3, would it?

From: Kevin
I've included current server locations for everyone in the OP and will update as more people add themselves.

I suppose we could follow Senrath's suggestion as well to simply restrict runes/masteries/champions and not account specifically. Likewise I do actually have a secondary account NA with about lvl 16 for extra champ access if we want to try for something to improve champion access for this.

At the moment, more people currently live in NA by a long shot.

Should we allow for friends of villavu competitors as well to improve size of this as well as to allow for the possibility of everyone having their own team for bragging purposes?

If we allow who ever, I can start one on Powerbot.

I got a group of 10 going atm, a few more wanted to play but no more spots.
We could have some site vs site action, see who's better?!

From: NKN
If we allow who ever, I can start one on Powerbot.

I got a group of 10 going atm, a few more wanted to play but no more spots.
We could have some site vs site action, see who's better?!

I very heavily support Simba destroying pbot ;)

I'm in if there is still some place, I'm silver league EUW :D

Im on NA. So long as the time this occurs isn't during my working hours, then I am in.

As long as I get ashe.
I'm NA

Zyt3x has tentatively said yes, so I'll keep him in mind as an EUW +1 depending on how our numbers get setup for games to even out numbers (currently at 8).

I'm going to throw out a mid-day random time knowing noone's schedule… Saturday 2pm CST (8pm GMT+0)?

From: Joseph D
As long as I get ashe.
I'm NA

Only play one champion? Lame, can't do All random then :p

From: Kevin
Zyt3x has tentatively said yes, so I'll keep him in mind as an EUW +1 depending on how our numbers get setup for games to even out numbers (currently at 8).

I'm going to throw out a mid-day random time knowing noone's schedule… Saturday 2pm CST (7pm GMT+0)?


Only play one champion? Lame, can't do All random then :p

I can make that. :) (Also, that's 8 PM GMT IIRC)

From: Kevin
I very heavily support Simba destroying pbot ;)

i can bring in the Epicbot people.

From: Silentcore
i can bring in the Epicbot people.

Oooo… Epicbot V Simba V Powerbot V Tribot possibly?

From: NKN
I can make that. :) (Also, that's 8 PM GMT IIRC)

You were right - fixed in post :p

Im in once Kev teaches me how to play.

Sorry, I can't do Saturdays until 11 PMish EDT. Sundays are pretty much all clear for me, though.

Ok Sundays at roughly the same suggested time?

From: Kevin
Oooo… Epicbot V Simba V Powerbot V Tribot possibly?

Let me know how many people are going to represent each forum type and I'll go and grab some from Epicbot. I'm actually looking forward into seeing which one is the best. I can play anyday at almost anytime if it's 1 and a half - 2 weeks from today. (I am going to be home alone, so noone bothering me, lol.)

I can't do this weekend but you can all play without me, I'm pretty nooby right now anyways. And I don't mind playing all random, I just know how to rek nigs with ashe.

Ill be in for this :) Im a noob at LoL but I do really like it XD

From: Silentcore
Let me know how many people are going to represent each forum type and I'll go and grab some from Epicbot. I'm actually looking forward into seeing which one is the best. I can play anyday at almost anytime if it's 1 and a half - 2 weeks from today. (I am going to be home alone, so noone bothering me, lol.)

Probably simplest to get just one 5man team from each forum if we can all go against each other at some set time in the future… Maybe 2 weeks+ down the rode so every forum can coincide and plan for it?


Well, I know I will be on a fair amount this weekend (discounting today) on my main and if we can get enough together for this/or just group up on our own I'll be up for it either way.

@xtrapsp; @NKN; @Silentcore; @senrath; @denart5; @x[Warrior]x3500; @Wu-Tang Clan; @King; @Silentcore;
{Insert other names here}
I vote 48 hours from now. Let's do this.

From: Kevin
@xtrapsp; @NKN; @Silentcore; @senrath; @denart5; @x[Warrior]x3500; @Wu-Tang Clan; @King; @Silentcore;
{Insert other names here}
I vote 48 hours from now. Let's do this.

I'm down.
Let's doooo it.

From: NKN
I'm down.
Let's doooo it.

Whats going on

From: xtrapsp
Whats going on

Villavu game.
5v5

Well, not that I enjoy League, I'd be willing to play though :) (Played more DotA and HoN and prefer those two) So just let me know, I'm EU and the name, as you'd believe, is tehYosh

From: NKN
Villavu game.
5v5

on different servers?

From: xtrapsp
on different servers?

Idk

From: Kevin
@xtrapsp; @NKN; @Silentcore; @senrath; @denart5; @x[Warrior]x3500; @Wu-Tang Clan; @King; @Silentcore;
{Insert other names here}
I vote 48 hours from now. Let's do this.

We should all join in a single team so we can play together vs other teams when 5 of any are available to play. I believe it's 8 people per team max.

Let me in!

TheGreatIvan <<< add me!

From: NKN
Idk

we could manage something across servers…

From: Silentcore
We should all join in a single team so we can play together vs other teams when 5 of any are available to play. I believe it's 8 people per team max.

I could be up for that - and I think it's 9 max.

From: Kevin

I could be up for that - and I think it's 9 max.

Go ahead and create a team and invite Srl members who are active and familiar with each other.

I'm very much in. bi a op EUW

You guys still looking for ppl to play with on NA servers?

From: Google
You guys still looking for ppl to play with on NA servers?

Go ahead and add me: Epic Ak47, we are a failed team since we need more people.

Alright added you.

zyt3x is on EUW same as me.

From: Google
You guys still looking for ppl to play with on NA servers?

Oops… Did I friend you, realize I hadn't played with you yet, and delete you because I didn't notice this? :(

ProDotNet was the name I think…

Yeah I can just re-add you.

My user is Prodotnet on NA servers if anyone else wants to add me.

Support is my favorite role.

I want them to re add U.R.F mode. It was hella fun!

Personally dota 2 is better in many ways. It's just me idk, but i prefer dota 2 playstyle and mechanics. maybe it's the straightforward gameplay of lol that attracts so many 10 year olds. Theres barely any tactics in there. One hero wins the game not the whole team.

From: tulpiuka
Personally dota 2 is better in many ways. It's just me idk, but i prefer dota 2 playstyle and mechanics. maybe it's the straightforward gameplay of lol that attracts so many 10 year olds. Theres barely any tactics in there. One hero wins the game not the whole team.

That's kind of ironic, because League has been built to a point where it's actually impossible for a single champion to carry at any decent level. And it's been much more enforced that no true champion based 'hard-counter' exactly exists. Whereas in DoTA, hyper carries that truly can 1v5 do exist and 'hard-counters' are pretty much set in stone with no level of skill mattering in the match-up. It doesn't exactly help that DoTA has a significantly weaker matching system, with no learning curve, despite the fact that it wouldn't exactly be a tremendously difficult thing to improve for non-ranked play.

But then again, I'm realizing you just spammed to 10 posts and you probably were barely even reading what you typed.

From: Kevin
That's kind of ironic, because League has been built to a point where it's actually impossible for a single champion to carry at any decent level. And it's been much more enforced that no true champion based 'hard-counter' exactly exists. Whereas in DoTA, hyper carries that truly can 1v5 do exist and 'hard-counters' are pretty much set in stone with no level of skill mattering in the match-up. It doesn't exactly help that DoTA has a significantly weaker matching system, with no learning curve, despite the fact that it wouldn't exactly be a tremendously difficult thing to improve for non-ranked play.

But then again, I'm realizing you just spammed to 10 posts and you probably were barely even reading what you typed.

Spambot aside, I agree with your comment

And the soon to be released rework of the map will take away even more noise, making the game more visually clear and easier on the eyes.

The simple fact that lol took away the ("clutter") champion rotation speed when it was in it's early ages helped a lot of people by extending the champions movement possibilities which rewarded players with quicker reflexes which raised the skillcap of the game significantly. Now they're doing the same, but to the game map instead; a lot of visual "clutter" are getting cleaned up, which hopefully will raise the skillcap even more, making the competitive scene more fun, more rewarding, and easier to the eyes; improving the game-feel both in-game and on streams.

DoTA is a lot more noisier than LoL, and I like that, this comment is biased. I don't play much DoTA at all.

What zyt3x said, your bias is obvious. Just say that dota is superior in every way. lol is played by many because of it's simplicity, there's no variables there. Just pick the best champs and play. Dota theres countless team compositions that attribute to the win. And those 1v5 carries you speak of, have a difficult time getting there. If u can't shut them down, well then, you suck. I tried lol, i really did, the hype got me. Every game seemed the same and it felt like a hard downgrade from dota. Cheap lol tactics to get more playerbase. I've met some hard core lol players who once tried dota stayed with dote complimenting on how much more better it is, but being sad about how their friends still playing lol because apparently it's "popular"

From: tulpiuka
What zyt3x said, your bias is obvious. Just say that dota is superior in every way. lol is played by many because of it's simplicity, there's no variables there. Just pick the best champs and play. Dota theres countless team compositions that attribute to the win. And those 1v5 carries you speak of, have a difficult time getting there. If u can't shut them down, well then, you suck. I tried lol, i really did, the hype got me. Every game seemed the same and it felt like a hard downgrade from dota. Cheap lol tactics to get more playerbase. I've met some hard core lol players who once tried dota stayed with dote complimenting on how much more better it is, but being sad about how their friends still playing lol because apparently it's "popular"

Well, I think he was calling his own comment biased, but I am willing to admit that I am influenced in my own. But likewise… You are biased in yours as well. It's the simple nature of the situation for each of us to be biased towards our own, so simply attacking me for my admitted bias does nothing.
While I point out very specific scenarios, you just throw out generic terms and leave it at that. So let's go into some more detail:

Just say that dota is superior in every way.

It is absolutely ridiculous to say that anything is superior to anything else in 'every way,' especially when you comment on the larger community.

Just pick the best champs and play

You mean like Necrophos, with his ridiculous 58+% win rate? or OmniKnight with his crazy 56+% win rate? Or Tusk or Shadow Demon with their 40-% win rates? Or even Io 39% or Earth Spirit 36-%? League is at least balanced enough that at NO tier of play is ANY champion that high, OR that low. When you can take literally millions of games, and have no champion actually being a dominating force (or such a team drag), I think it's fair to go ahead and say there's a higher level of variability in League. And in Dota, there's definitely a more concrete concept of 'best champ.'

Dota theres countless team compositions that attribute to the win.

Are you comparing level 1 league with professional Dota play? Because honestly, in both low levels and professional play of league, team compositions change all the time. Hell, that one's even true in Dota as well a little. To say that any individual game is unique in this would be asinine. Although, in League, while a few specific champs may retain their high pick power due to their flexibility of play styles (again, a true statement in Dota as well, kinda), even those champions never see the almost instant-win caliber status in professional play that some heroes see in Dota. League relies more heavily on an actual team composition (siege, poke, hard-engage, early game roam, late game scaling), whereas Dota relies more heavily on heroes and dedicating your team to getting that one guy fed. League is a team game oriented around strategy and planning from the select screen, and while Dota definitely requires it, it's only to the extent of "Pick and protect the Flavor of the month OP champ!"

And then there's the toxicity of the game, and while I think Smite wins overall compared to any Moba, Dota has more of it than League.

From: Kevin
Well, I think he was calling his own comment biased, but I am willing to admit that I am influenced in my own. But likewise… You are biased in yours as well. It's the simple nature of the situation for each of us to be biased towards our own, so simply attacking me for my admitted bias does nothing.
While I point out very specific scenarios, you just throw out generic terms and leave it at that. So let's go into some more detail:
It is absolutely ridiculous to say that anything is superior to anything else in 'every way,' especially when you comment on the larger community.
You mean like Necrophos, with his ridiculous 58+% win rate? or OmniKnight with his crazy 56+% win rate? Or Tusk or Shadow Demon with their 40-% win rates? Or even Io 39% or Earth Spirit 36-%? League is at least balanced enough that at NO tier of play is ANY champion that high, OR that low. When you can take literally millions of games, and have no champion actually being a dominating force (or such a team drag), I think it's fair to go ahead and say there's a higher level of variability in League. And in Dota, there's definitely a more concrete concept of 'best champ.'
Are you comparing level 1 league with professional Dota play? Because honestly, in both low levels and professional play of league, team compositions change all the time. Hell, that one's even true in Dota as well a little. To say that any individual game is unique in this would be asinine. Although, in League, while a few specific champs may retain their high pick power due to their flexibility of play styles (again, a true statement in Dota as well, kinda), even those champions never see the almost instant-win caliber status in professional play that some heroes see in Dota. League relies more heavily on an actual team composition (siege, poke, hard-engage, early game roam, late game scaling), whereas Dota relies more heavily on heroes and dedicating your team to getting that one guy fed. League is a team game oriented around strategy and planning from the select screen, and while Dota definitely requires it, it's only to the extent of "Pick and protect the Flavor of the month OP champ!"

And then there's the toxicity of the game, and while I think Smite wins overall compared to any Moba, Dota has more of it than League.

Adventure Time Battle Party is still the best moba in the entire internets.

http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/games/adventuretime/adventure-time-battle-party/

From: NKN
Adventure Time Battle Party is still the best moba in the entire internets.

http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/games/adventuretime/adventure-time-battle-party/

Well shit. I wanna play now.

From: Kevin
Well shit. I wanna play now.

Jake the Dog is the best. If you time his skills correctly, you can 1v3 easily.

From: Kevin
Well, I think he was calling his own comment biased, but I am willing to admit that I am influenced in my own. But likewise… You are biased in yours as well. It's the simple nature of the situation for each of us to be biased towards our own, so simply attacking me for my admitted bias does nothing.
While I point out very specific scenarios, you just throw out generic terms and leave it at that. So let's go into some more detail:
It is absolutely ridiculous to say that anything is superior to anything else in 'every way,' especially when you comment on the larger community.
You mean like Necrophos, with his ridiculous 58+% win rate? or OmniKnight with his crazy 56+% win rate? Or Tusk or Shadow Demon with their 40-% win rates? Or even Io 39% or Earth Spirit 36-%? League is at least balanced enough that at NO tier of play is ANY champion that high, OR that low. When you can take literally millions of games, and have no champion actually being a dominating force (or such a team drag), I think it's fair to go ahead and say there's a higher level of variability in League. And in Dota, there's definitely a more concrete concept of 'best champ.'
Are you comparing level 1 league with professional Dota play? Because honestly, in both low levels and professional play of league, team compositions change all the time. Hell, that one's even true in Dota as well a little. To say that any individual game is unique in this would be asinine. Although, in League, while a few specific champs may retain their high pick power due to their flexibility of play styles (again, a true statement in Dota as well, kinda), even those champions never see the almost instant-win caliber status in professional play that some heroes see in Dota. League relies more heavily on an actual team composition (siege, poke, hard-engage, early game roam, late game scaling), whereas Dota relies more heavily on heroes and dedicating your team to getting that one guy fed. League is a team game oriented around strategy and planning from the select screen, and while Dota definitely requires it, it's only to the extent of "Pick and protect the Flavor of the month OP champ!"

And then there's the toxicity of the game, and while I think Smite wins overall compared to any Moba, Dota has more of it than League.

Because every lol "champ" plays the same. In dota theres not a single hero thats even remotely similar in abilities or gameplay mechanics. The ratings can't be as accurate as lols because there isn't that many players. Necro or omni can be game changer if played right or a complete meat bag feeder. It's all in the player skill.

From: tulpiuka
Because every lol "champ" plays the same. In dota theres not a single hero thats even remotely similar in abilities or gameplay mechanics. The ratings can't be as accurate as lols because there isn't that many players. Necro or omni can be game changer if played right or a complete meat bag feeder. It's all in the player skill.

If you play ever LoL champ the same idk what game you're playing.

From: tulpiuka
Because every lol "champ" plays the same. In dota theres not a single hero thats even remotely similar in abilities or gameplay mechanics. The ratings can't be as accurate as lols because there isn't that many players. Necro or omni can be game changer if played right or a complete meat bag feeder. It's all in the player skill.

Quickly wrote down the different basic types of champs. I might have missed some (added an example chamion):

AD-Burst-Assassin (Talon)
AP-Burst-Assassin (Leblanc)
AP-Poke-Fighter (Xerath)
AD-Poke-Fighter (Jayce)
AD-Fighter (Riven)
AP-Fighter (Kayle)
AD-Bruiser (Renekton)
AP-Bruiser (Singed)
AP-Sustain-Fighter (Malzahar)
AD-Jungle-Fighter (Vi)
AP-Jungle-Fighter (Fiddle)
AD-Jungle-Bruiser (Jarvan 4)
AP-Jungle-Bruiser (Elise)
Jungle-Tank (Malphite)
Laning-Tank (Shen)
AP-Poke-Support (Zyra)
AP-Burst-Support (Sona)
AP-Sustain-Support (Soraka)
Tank-Engage-Support (Leona)
AD-Ranged-Fighter (Lucian)


And every champion in all of these categories are unique. If you play them all the same way, no wonder why u dont like LoL. LoL is easy to learn; hard to master. Seems like you didn't even try to learn it.

From: tulpiuka
Because every lol "champ" plays the same. In dota theres not a single hero thats even remotely similar in abilities or gameplay mechanics. The ratings can't be as accurate as lols because there isn't that many players. Necro or omni can be game changer if played right or a complete meat bag feeder. It's all in the player skill.

All ratings and statistics can be considered fairly well normalized after a hundred thousand instances. Given there will always be a range of error, it is typically within the 1% range, following the rules of correlation analysis.
Saying that nowhere is skill involved would be ridiculous. Skill affects wins. But skill is also normalized against roughly equivalently skilled opponents, a quantity of games, and quantity of players (skilled and un-skilled, both). Feel free to be a Dota fanboy all you wish, but anyone with any experience in statistics can easily tell you that it is an unbalanced game.

And then as Warrior shows below, there are almost exactly the same quantity of champion types and varieties as seen in Dota. Although again, as far as quantity is concerned, League has a larger variety.

From: x[Warrior]x3500
Quickly wrote down the different basic types of champs. I might have missed some (added an example chamion):

AD-Burst-Assassin (Talon)
AP-Burst-Assassin (Leblanc)
AP-Poke-Fighter (Xerath)
AD-Poke-Fighter (Jayce)
AD-Fighter (Riven)
AP-Fighter (Kayle)
AD-Bruiser (Renekton)
AP-Bruiser (Singed)
AP-Sustain-Fighter (Malzahar)
AD-Jungle-Fighter (Vi)
AP-Jungle-Fighter (Fiddle)
AD-Jungle-Bruiser (Jarvan 4)
AP-Jungle-Bruiser (Elise)
Jungle-Tank (Malphite)
Laning-Tank (Shen)
AP-Poke-Support (Zyra)
AP-Burst-Support (Sona)
AP-Sustain-Support (Soraka)
Tank-Engage-Support (Leona)
AD-Ranged-Fighter (Lucian)


And every champion in all of these categories are unique. If you play them all the same way, no wonder why u dont like LoL. LoL is easy to learn; hard to master. Seems like you didn't even try to learn it.

(Thank you Warrior, for giving all the details :))

And then of course League gets all the fun game modes introduced about every other month that exist purely for fun and to break up an otherwise singular game mode type.

These things we all mention aren't opinions. They aren't things that can be swayed with a discussion. They are facts, and as such they really aren't up for debate. It's like arguing whether or not the Earth is the center of the Universe. You can argue for it all you want, but at the end of the day, facts are true whether or not you want them to be.

Fair points :D Just coming from an long time dota player, lol felt like a downgrade in every aspect. I don't expect you to understand if u started playing lol before playing dota for years. I can see why lol is a more attractive of both.