SRL Archive - Reported Trading Abuse

I got two pm's regarding this thread: http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94990

1. Dynamite asked for a web dev, job pays 100 dollar
2. xtrapsp says he will do it
3. they agree on 100 dollar for the job
4. xtrapsp and dynamite disagree about what is still in the job, xtrapsp doesn't want to expand it more
5. Dynamite uses what xtrapsp had made but finished it himself
6. nothing is payed

So, what to do?

I will send dynamite a pm tomorrow asking for his view on the situation. Imo dynamite shouldn't have taken the content xtrapsp made, or he shouldn't have used it. It is wrong to use and not pay.

Evidence(super short):

[15:55:49] Dynamite: You said you aren't finishing it, I said if you do I will pay you £50 extra.
[15:56:12] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: You took what I did to that point
[15:56:12] Dynamite: What I had done last and what you have now are almost identical minus a few colours.Yes.

Dynamite agrees he uses Xtrapsp his code, and only changed a few colours.

[16:03:20] Dynamite: Brad, I just converted your template into wordpress.
[16:03:37] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: It was already in wordpress
[16:03:43] Dynamite: no.
[16:03:45] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: http://we-remortgage.co.uk/wp-login.php
[16:04:06] Dynamite: Obviously it's in wordpress now
[16:04:47] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: even though I have logs of me having and admin and password to it months ago

They disagree if it already was in wordpress.

[16:18:55] Dynamite: Brad, if you had finished the job, I would have paid you in full. As you didn't I am not paying you a penny. Sorry that is fact and you will have to live with it whether you like it or not.

Dynamite isn't going to pay.

[16:31:08] Ian - BMWxi: Then why are you using his work?
[16:31:27 | Edited 16:31:31] Dynamite: Because he gave it to me, to have finished by someone else.
[16:31:38] Dynamite: And that he didn't want anything to do with it.
[16:31:51] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: I said I didn't want anything to do with you expanding on it more
[16:31:57] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: doesn't stop you from paying me for what I did.
[16:33:40] Dynamite: No, I won't pay you. Yes I will still use it.

Again Dynamite confirms he uses Xtrapsp work without paying.

Evidence(short):

I would have if you finished it, and it was just a template anywayKeeping it here now.
What you have now is 90% my template
[15:54:09] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: What I had done last and what you have now are almost identical minus a few colours.
[15:55:49] Dynamite: You said you aren't finishing it, I said if you do I will pay you £50 extra.
[15:55:57] Dynamite: You said no you don't want anything to do with it
[15:56:12] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: You took what I did to that point
[15:56:12] Dynamite: What I had done last and what you have now are almost identical minus a few colours.Yes.
[15:56:15] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: and changed a few colours.
[15:56:33] Dynamite: And you took a template and changed a few bits.
[15:56:56] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: Let me go back a bit dynamite. I got a template and removed the header and content leaving only the footer.
[15:57:20] Dynamite: Brad, i don't give a shit what you did or didn't/
[15:57:27] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: YOU have now used that template on another domain with my table and shit changed 1 image and claimed it as yours.
[15:57:29] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: No credit
[15:57:31] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: nothing.
[15:57:34] Dynamite: You said you wanted nothing to do with it
[15:57:44] Dynamite: Therefore no, im not giving you credit.
[15:57:50 | Edited 15:57:58] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: You said you wanted nothing to do with itStill doesn't warrant taking some elses code.

[16:02:01] Dynamite: I honestly, don't give a fuck what you think Brad, you said you didn't want anything to do with it and get someone else to finish it. So I did, because you couldn't put it in to wordpress. Which was the whole point of needing you by the way. You couldn't do the job Brad therefore I didn't pay you. Finish a fucking job and I will pay you what you deserve.
[16:02:26] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: all you've done is take my code and change a few hex colours
[16:02:33] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: So write your own fucking code

[16:03:20] Dynamite: Brad, I just converted your template into wordpress, kthxbye.
[16:03:31 | Edited 16:03:33] Dynamite: (Because you couldn't)
[16:03:37] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: It was already in wordpress
[16:03:43] Dynamite: no.
[16:03:45] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: http://we-remortgage.co.uk/wp-login.php
[16:04:06] Dynamite: Obviously it's in wordpress now
[16:04:23] Dynamite: anyway, you are boring me
[16:04:47] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: even though I have logs of me having and admin and password to it months ago

[16:06:45] Dynamite: Pretty sure the whole conversation started off with you will do it as a "favor" for a bit of money. I said I would give you a £100 and you shit your pants cause you had never heard of that much money. As with anyone, if the job had been done to the right criteria, I would have paid you in full. As you didn't finish the job, I didn't pay you.

[16:07:14] Ian - BMWxi: But you're using his work
[16:07:24] Ian - BMWxi: So obviously it was good enough?
[16:07:31] Dynamite: @Ian, via his permission
[16:07:48] Dynamite: The template is good, the job was not finished however
[16:07:55] Ian - BMWxi: Brad did you give him permission?
[16:08:10] Chu - Sjoekeloe: how much % did Brad do
[16:08:24] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: Ok I'm gonna stop you there, not only are you lying during this but you're also getting personal.

[16:08:36] Dynamite: If you asked a builder to build you a garage and he finished wihout a roof on it, you would not pay him.
[16:08:45] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: Dynamite, that isn't true.
[16:08:50] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: You pay for labour.
[16:08:52] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: http://we-remortgage.co.uk/wp-conten.../Mortgage1.png
[16:08:54] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: Nice image
[16:08:56] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: who made that
[16:09:23] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: view-source:http://we-remortgage.co.uk/
Nice Source, I wonder who did that


[16:12:30] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: I don't give a fuck about your IRL. Sorry.And you obviously do as you are the one who brought it into this argument.
[16:12:37] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: So please stop the childish games and man up
[16:12:44] Dynamite: If the work is performed in part, it shall be paid to the execution of that part. Otherwise it's just disgusting. I think so.I agree I could have, but Brad half finished a site that he took roughly 5x longer than he said he would take. Then got touchy when I asked him to complete it and told me to get someone else to do it.
[16:13:06] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: took 5x longer because everytime I had done it you changed your mind.
[16:13:22] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: I got touchy because I was busy with other stuff and you kept expanding the job.
[16:13:32] Dynamite: Brad: http://prntscr.com/12yvkc
[16:13:33] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: In a contract that wouldn't happen (if you want to mention contracts again)
[16:13:40] Dynamite: Your credit has been there the whole time
[16:13:51] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: Not in the code it isn't.
[16:14:44] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: view-source:http://we-remortgage.co.uk/
[16:14:46] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: Where is my credit

[16:15:36] Dynamite: I would agree if you hadn't given me "permission" to get someone else to finish it.
[16:16:00] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: If that is the case they have the right to their part of the intellectual property.
[16:16:11] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: But considering I made it compatable cross browser, added the table etc
[16:16:19] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: my code is my code
[16:16:22] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: their code is their code
[16:16:28] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: All you did was change colours.

[16:18:55] Dynamite: Brad, if you had finished the job, I would have paid you in full. As you didn't I am not paying you a penny. Sorry that is fact and you will have to live with it whether you like it or not.

Thanks Dynamite
[16:20:01] Dynamite: seeing he did most of the work
you could fund himHe said for the rest of the work to be done it would cost (iirc) between £600-£800 to do what I wanted
[16:20:34] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: He said for the rest of the work to be done it would cost (iirc) between £600-£800 to do what I wanted
You haven't got the rest of the work done
You've taken my work and changed a few words and colours
[16:20:36] Dynamite: Therefore according to that he did what like 12%?
[16:20:51] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: I Did what you asked at the beginning, not my fault you kept expanding.
[16:21:00] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: It's obvious you had and have no intention of paying
[16:21:05] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: you are stringing people along
[16:21:32] Dynamite: You did not do what I asked at the beginning, in your words "I misunderstood what you wanted".
[16:21:37] Dynamite: Not my fault.
[16:22:08] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: Ok, get rid of the template then
[16:22:15] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: if you aren't going to pay me for what was done
[16:22:16] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: remove it.
[16:22:20] Dynamite: And why would I worry about paying you £100 if you had done the job? seeing as you didn't finish and you were saying I had to get someone else to finish it

[16:30:46] Ian - BMWxi: Dynamite how much have you paid brad so far?
[16:30:51] Dynamite: Ian, 0
[16:31:08] Ian - BMWxi: Then why are you using his work?
[16:31:27 | Edited 16:31:31] Dynamite: Because he gave it to me, to have finished by someone else.
[16:31:38] Dynamite: And that he didn't want anything to do with it.
[16:31:51] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: I said I didn't want anything to do with you expanding on it more
[16:31:57] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: doesn't stop you from paying me for what I did.
[16:32:05] Dynamite: No you said you didn't want to finish the job.
[16:32:24] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: So, you won't pay me for what I did but you will still use it
[16:33:40] Dynamite: No, I won't pay you. Yes I will still use it.

[16:36:01] Dynamite: Oh also, I would bring up that the wordpress control panel was hacked (password changed) and you were the only other person that had the password.
[16:36:11] Dynamite: Lost a weeks worth of data.
[16:36:17] Dynamite: Are you going to give me my data back?
[16:36:19] Brad - SRL Xtrapsp: http://www.latinospost.com/articles/...rname-more.htm

Evidence(big):

In the attachment you will find the unaltered skype log of the above chat.

BMWxi his chatlog: (exotiiks123 = Dynamite)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GXj1O4a4csmFEpDFvcRGFvtFuiGUgG8qCmeLJy8tkik/edit?pli=1

IMO, Dynamite is in the wrong. He is using Xtrapsp's code\work without his permission and I also see no credit to the work (even in the source). I believe Dynamite should pay Xtrapsp for the work he has done.

Wasn't Dynamite also called The Man? He had a BM ban at his previous account so one month ban and permanent kick.

No clue, he admitted to me on Skype that he wasn't going to pay Xtrapsp back so I banned him.