SRL Archive - Discussions and Debates

I have noticed over time that there is a level of discomfort resulting in voting on Member's Applications. We commonly have applications where the voting is a fairly close to the 50/50 range (or at least within 25% of it) and yet you only see comments on one end of the spectrum.
We have had apps such as King's here: http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101757 where (as I post this) he has a score of 15-9, yet there isn't an outright no or reasoning for any of that given anywhere in the comments. I'm not saying there's no reason to necessarily grant him a no, but he can't know the reason without being told it. How will he improve in any manner, if the people that don't find him up to par are unwilling to tell him what he's missing out on?

Furthermore, seeing only positive posts on his app can lead to many people voting yes that may have otherwise voted no had they seen the reasons thought of by these other people. There are obviously a lot of people thinking he doesn't deserve it, but by staying quiet in the matter, they may be helping him get in anyway even if they voted no. Keep in mind all this logic also applies to the opposite standpoint of an application that is vocally a no, yet has almost as many yes votes as no, it's just easier to point at an app that is much more recent.

I think this is because people are scared to be vocal of their opinion. If you don't agree with the majority, then you have people breathing down your neck, telling you why you're wrong, and de-repping you for being too harsh/too nice. I know that's happened to me even when I've agreed with the majority, but managed to be too critical anyway. But why should we be worried about this? These actions and disapproving natures of differing opinions are only harming us as a whole. If people are afraid to be critical, if we're afraid to follow our own opinions instead of the majority, then we aren't necessarily allowing ourselves to be the best we can be. We are supposed to have a democratic nature where we discuss differing opinions in the open and use our differences as advantages instead of hiding away the people who aren't the majority.

Just because we don't agree, doesn't mean we aren't working together for the betterment of our community as a whole.

Yea, I think it's important that people say why they voted no, on my last app nobody said why they voted no and there were ALOT of no votes. It would be nice to know why someone doesn't think I deserve SRL so I can improve :)

I've never been derepped for my opinion in a members app though :P. Usually when I have time I explain my no vote, like I did with smok3. But time for such votes is getting scarce. I am already happy when I find time to read someone script. For me it is not always possible to give such votes.

Also note how complex personal votes are, when they are based on how you think of that person. Very hard to tell someone in their face. And often better not said.

I explain my no votes if nobody else has yet.

When I applied there was a no vote, and I remember hoping that it was Olly because he was the only one who told me what I could improve on. He says he didn't vote though so I guess whoever voted no was too shy to say :(

From: masterBB
I've never been derepped for my opinion in a members app though :P. Usually when I have time I explain my no vote, like I did with smok3. But time for such votes is getting scarce. I am already happy when I find time to read someone script. For me it is not always possible to give such votes.

Also note how complex personal votes are, when they are based on how you think of that person. Very hard to tell someone in their face. And often better not said.

I think I've explained my vote in all but one app, and that one app didn't have a script and plenty of other people made that specific comment. Whether I vote yes or no, I always have something to say about improvements every application can make. And in that same mind-set, I feel like I'd want the same respect from other people. Nobody is perfect and there's always something people will miss that others will catch. Even with good scripts - or even in the professional world - everything should be code reviewed and improved upon.

Yes, I will agree, there are a lot of votes based purely on opinions of individual people, and that's going to happen. And some of this are going to stay no votes no matter how amazing the scripter is, or how helpful they are on the forums due to whatever issue occurred in the past. But not every no vote ends up like that, there are people sitting quietly in the corner. And based on how this thread is turning out, I feel like there may be people who (ironically) don't choose to comment for possibly having a vastly differing opinion to this.

From: BMWxi
I explain my no votes if nobody else has yet.

When I applied there was a no vote, and I remember hoping that it was Olly because he was the only one who told me what I could improve on. He says he didn't vote though so I guess whoever voted no was too shy to say :(

I also had a no vote on mine - and I don't recall hearing anything remotely negative on my own app. I may have my idea as for who gave me my no, but I don't know for sure, nor does the who really matter that much. But it does make me curious why I got that no. Was there an unseen and major issue in my script? Have I in some manner been fairly inappropriate or been insulting or something? I don't know and I probably will never know. But it's hard for anyone to improve anywhere when people remain too shy or intimidated to voice their opinion.

I voted no on your app, because I dont like you. K?

See, mean and blunt, but at least I hear why.
;)

But in honesty, even that never really happens.

Not having the time to explain why I vote in one way or another is the reason I hardly ever vote.

eh, im one for voting no without a reason alot of the time.. why? because i don't want to start a war with other members we're entitled to our own opinions.

Many people will vote and not comment if the reason why they voted has already been mentioned by someone else. I do this sometimes because I feel it's basically giving the same feedback twice (although it may reinforce the point, it's not particularly useful).

If I say no, I normally comment unless it is blatantly obvious why and other people have already stated why.
Sometimes I say yes without commenting, because it is obvious.