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Senate rejects expanded gun background checks


Neznam

2013-04-19 15:16:20

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/17/politics/senate-guns-vote/index.html



Washington (CNN) – In a major defeat for supporters of tougher gun laws, the U.S. Senate on Wednesday defeated a compromise plan to expand background checks on firearms sales as well as a proposal to ban some semi-automatic weapons modeled after military assault weapons.

The votes were on a series of amendments to a broad package of gun laws pushed by President Barack Obama and Democratic leaders in the aftermath of the Newtown school massacre in December.

However, fierce opposition by the powerful National Rifle Association led a backlash by conservative Republicans and a few Democrats from pro-gun states that doomed key proposals in the gun package, even after they had been watered down to try to satisfy opponents.

After the votes, Obama angrily criticized the NRA and senators who voted against the expanded background checks for rejecting a compromise he said was supported by a strong majority of Americans.

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"Instead of supporting this compromise, the gun lobby and its allies willfully lied about the bill," Obama told White House reporters.

Noting polls that showed 90% support for such a measure, Obama called it a "pretty shameful day for Washington" and wondered of Congress: "Who are we here to represent?"

He was flanked by relatives of gun violence victims as well as former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, a gun owner who was disabled in a shooting attack and supported Obama's proposals.

A statement by Giffords and her husband, former astronaut Mark Kelly, said the Senate had "ignored the will of the American people," adding that those senators who voted against the expanded background checks chose to "obey the leaders of the powerful corporate gun lobby, instead of their constituents."

To Erica Lafferty, the daughter of the principal of the Newtown, Connecticut, school who was killed along with 20 first-graders and five other educators in the December attack, the vote amounted to inaction in the face of a national tragedy.

"The next time there's a mass shooting and they're asked what they did to prevent it, they're going to have to say nothing," she said.

On the other side, the NRA's Chris Cox called the expanded background check proposal "misguided," saying it would not reduce violent crime "or keep our kids safe in their schools."

The broader gun package still under consideration by the Senate includes tougher laws on gun trafficking and straw purchases, and steps to devise ways to improve safety in schools.

Obama: 'This was a pretty shameful day in Washington'

As originally proposed, with a provision to expand background checks, it would have been the most significant gun legislation before Congress in almost two decades.

Due to early opposition to the background check provision, Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Republican Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania worked out a compromise that was less comprehensive than what Obama wanted but still gained the president's support.

The Manchin-Toomey plan would have expanded background checks to include private sales at gun shows and all Internet sales, while continuing to exempt most sales between family members and friends.

Due to procedural steps agreed to by both sides, all the amendments considered Wednesday required 60 votes to pass in the 100-member chamber, meaning Democrats and their independent allies who hold 55 seats needed support from some GOP senators to push through the Manchin-Toomey proposal.

The final vote was 54 in favor to 46 opposed with four Republicans joining most Democrats in supporting the compromise. With the outcome obvious, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, cast a "no" vote to secure the ability to bring the measure up again.

Meanwhile, four Democrats from pro-gun states voted with most Republicans in opposition.

Giffords on senators: 'Shame on them'

When the result was announced by Vice President Joe Biden, who presided over the chamber for the vote, two women in the gallery of spectators shouted "shame on you" at the senators.

"They are an embarrassment to this country that they don't have any compassion or care for people who have been taken brutally from their families," said one of them, Patricia Maisch, who grabbed the gun magazine from the attacker who shot Giffords and several other people in Tucson in January 2011.

On the proposal by Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California to update a 1994 ban on semi-automatic weapons that expired in 2004, the vote was 40-60, showing opposition by several Democrats as well as the chamber's Republican minority.

Obama had pushed for Congress to include both the expanded background checks provision and the weapons ban in any gun package. In recent weeks, he and the White House focused their efforts on winning support for the Manchin-Toomey compromise.

However, the NRA promised political retribution against supporters of tougher gun laws, and it called the expanded background checks a first step toward a national gun registry and government confiscation of firearms.

Obama called that claim misinformation, noting the Manchin-Toomey proposal prohibited such a registry. He said the tactics of the NRA galvanized a vocal minority of gun owners against the legislation, which caused some senators to flinch.

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"They worried that the gun lobby would spend a lot of money and paint them as anti-Second Amendment," Obama said. "And obviously a lot of Republicans had that fear, but Democrats had that fear, too. And so they caved to the pressure. And they started looking for an excuse, any excuse to vote 'no.'"

Reid earlier warned Republicans that the strong majority of Americans who support expanded background checks won't forget votes against the Manchin-Toomey compromise.

"The American people … have a long, long memory," he said.

Meanwhile, an alternative package of gun proposal that reflected the NRA position also was defeated.

Offerd by conservative Republicans, the alternative plan introduced Wednesday after weeks of hearings and debate on Democratic proposals lacked any expansion of background checks but called for more funding to better enforce the existing system.

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A sponsor of the Republican alternative, Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, said it would target the gun violence problem in a way that the Democratic proposal before the Senate would not.

In response, Judiciary Committee Chairman Sen. Pat Leahy, D-Vermont, called the GOP's last-minute proposal a "weak and counterproductive alternative."

Other proposed amendments defeated Wednesday included a plan by Republican Sen. John Cornyn of Texas to make state concealed weapons permits acceptable throughout the country., as well as a proposal by Democratic Sen. Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey to limit the number of rounds in ammunition magazines.

Any legislation passed by the Senate would then go to the Republican-led House. So far, House Speaker John Boehner has stopped short of promising a vote on whatever the Senate sends over.

Polls show that a strong majority of Americans support some type of initiative to stem gun violence. In a CNN/ORC International poll released last week, 86% of Americans say they support expanded background checks.






54-46. Was close.

How do you guys feel about this?

rj

2013-04-19 15:41:36

Why would they reject this? God -.- this make gun owners look so bad when they reject legitiment bills like this to actually background check people - it makes no sense why you wouldn't want this passed. Most of the argument for anti-gun control is based around the idea that legit gun owners detur criminals.

DrChill

2013-04-19 15:47:27

Very happy, the background checks were just to annoy legit gun-owners anyway. Unlikely to deter organized crime, who will not go through the process anyway.

rj

2013-04-19 15:51:15

From: DrChill
Very happy, the background checks were just to annoy legit gun-owners anyway. Unlikely to deter organized crime, who will not go through the process anyway.


It's supposed to stop felons from purchasing guns, or people who are "mad" at a certain time gives them a cool down period (example Joe is mad at Bob he tries to buy a gun legally and he has to wait 2 weeks, 2 weeks later hes no longer mad)

But it could also be said that since Joe has to wait 2 weeks he will go to his friend Billy and buy a AK-47 100 round drum mag illegally and then demolish bob.

Kevin

2013-04-19 15:56:29

From: Officer Barbrady
It's supposed to stop felons from purchasing guns, or people who are "mad" at a certain time gives them a cool down period (example Joe is mad at Bob he tries to buy a gun legally and he has to wait 2 weeks, 2 weeks later hes no longer mad)

But it could also be said that since Joe has to wait 2 weeks he will go to his friend Billy and buy a AK-47 100 round drum mag illegally and then demolish bob.


But greed comes in effect as well. $600 mad for a gun at the store is different than $25000 mad for a black market AK-47.

I agree organized crime won't really be affected. But there's a ton of un-organized crime that could be affected by this.

As much as I sound for the whole process, I'm only for the background check. I think the waiting period is stupid. If people are that mad at someone and a waiting period was in place, then they go out and buy a knife/other dangerous object. Or if someone plans on robbing a store, they wait 2 weeks and then do it. The waiting period is merely an annoyance whereas the background check will stop many other issues.

DrChill

2013-04-19 15:58:07

That is the intention, although exactly how much that happens I really question. Besides, if you're mad enough to kill someone you will probably grab a knife or something. I bet you could kill someone with your fists.

Good intentions do not redeem crappy laws.

That being said I don't really want to start a massive debate, I understand that anti-gun people do generally have good intentions, and want to accomplish something.

DrChill

2013-04-19 16:01:38

LOL, did not see your post before I posted, but it seems we agreed on your last paragraph.

25,000 is a bit much for a black market gun :o, especially one you can get for $600 at a store.

Also, for domestic disputes, in the words of so many liberals, you don't need an AK47, or 100 round magazine, just get a shotgun ;)

rj

2013-04-19 16:04:48

From: DrChill
LOL, did not see your post before I posted, but it seems we agreed on your last paragraph.

25,000 is a bit much for a black market gun :o, especially one you can get for $600 at a store.

Also, for domestic disputes, in the words of so many liberals, you don't need an AK47, or 100 round magazine, just get a shotgun ;)

I love exaggerating :D, but the thing I don't like is when people talk about banning guns when they have never seen or shot one.

happy hippo

2013-04-19 16:27:00

I Think its a subject That has alot of tensions around it. see there are the Gun Crazed Individuals as in i mean the American government Who are PRO Guns But just Don't Publicly Announce it,Thats how i see it in my eyes.
Some things will never change Sadly….

Neznam

2013-04-19 16:40:06

From: DrChill

25,000 is a bit much for a black market gun :o, especially one you can get for $600 at a store.


Uh I thought this was the OTHER way around. On the BM being cheaper than it is at the stores.
I don't know I guess.

Rich

2013-04-19 17:08:38

From: Neznam
Uh I thought this was the OTHER way around. On the BM being cheaper than it is at the stores.
I don't know I guess.
Illegal goods will always be more expensive.

senrath

2013-04-19 17:54:28

From: Rich
Illegal goods will always be more expensive.


Not always. It depends on why the goods are illegal. If they're illegal because they're stolen, or the proper taxes aren't being paid, they'll probably be cheaper.

Rich

2013-04-19 18:00:59

From: senrath
Not always. It depends on why the goods are illegal. If they're illegal because they're stolen, or the proper taxes aren't being paid, they'll probably be cheaper.
True. Didn't really think of that. I guess my last post was a bit ambiguous.

rj

2013-04-19 18:01:03

From: Rich
Illegal goods will always be more expensive.


That's debatable I could DL South park seasons 1-16 on Pirate bay for $0.00 if I wanted to